Theorycrafting team comps for rupture/sinking/tremor/burn/bleed/charge/envy/meme/etc

[Birp]

Suggest your improvements or share what team comps you're running below.

* = needs ut4. ^ = would like ut4 but maybe not 100% necessary.

Rupture
Core: W Sang*, 7 Faust*, 7 Heath*, Talisman Sinclair*, Rosepanner Gregor^
Useful: K Honglu* and 7 Outis^
Maybe: LCCB Ishmael (rupture s3, gloom s2) - I haven't leveled her yet

Notable support passives: 7 Ryoshu, 7 Yisang, W Meursault.
Notable EGOs: AEDD*, D Shredder Yisang^, either Honglu HE^, Ebony Stem.

Rupture requires a lot of ut4's since most of the ut4's give +rupture count, or in Talisman's case, it speeds up his talisman transfer.

Sinking
Core: Dieci Rodion^ (Rime Shank**), Molar Ishmael^, Spicebush Yisang^
Possibly viable: Hobocliff^, R Ishmael*

Sinking requires Rime Shank ut4 but that's it basically. Low investment. You don't even need to run all 3 ids, you can just throw Dieci into any comp and it works.

Tremor
Core: R Faust^, Molar Outis^, Rosespanner Rodion^, Boat Sinclair*, Molar Yisang^
Useful: LCCB Ishmael^,
Maybe: Rosespanner Meursault, N Don

Notable EGOs: Effervescent Rodion^, Regret Meursault, Fluid Sac Don*, Legerdemain

Currently, tremor doesn't have a crazy ceiling--you can't stack up 99 tremor in 2-3 turns like with rupture. But tremor does have generally better ids for human and non-boss fights than rupture does, and it has the side benefit of amplifying raw damage with inflicting defense lvl down. A partial tremor team also works really well, better than full tremor honestly.

Bleed
Core: Twin Hook Gregor*, Hook Honglu*, R Meursault*, Kurokumo Ryoshu*, N Faust^
Useful: Middle Don*, N Don*
Maybe: Kurokumo Rodion*
Unfortunate: R.B. Chef Gregor, N Rodion

Notable EGOs: La Sangre de Sancho^ (Don), Hex Nail^, Legerdemain Corrosion

Bleed has 3-4 good units now, but they still struggle with not having enough bleed count + a lack of actual bleed egos.

Burn
Core: Liu Ishmael*, N Sinclair
Hahaha: Liu Gregor, Liu Meursault, Liu Honglu

Notable EGOs: there's a lot.

Would not recommend trying a burn team in its current state.

Envy
Core: Middle Don*, Middle Meursault*
Useful: L Faust^, TT Honglu, Hobocliff^, Shi Ish, Dieci Rodion

Notable EGOs: Hex Nail, La Sangre de Sancho

You could run ids like R Heath, W Ryoshu, R Ish, etc., for a stronger overall team but worse access to envy.

Poise
Core: BL Yisang*, Twin Hook Gregor*, some Ishmael ID
Maybe: BL Sinclair*, Kurokumo Rodion*, LCCB Ryoshu*
Uhh: BL Outis

Notable support passives: Zwei Rodion, LCCB Ryoshu
Notable EGOs: Blind Obsession Ish*, Sunshower Outis*, Blind Obsession Ryoshu*

Poise IDs don't particularly have synergy with each other, outside BL Sinclair's passive, so there's not much of a reason to run them together. Well, that was until Ish's WAW EGO came out, it's still a meme team but maybe it'd be fun to try out.

SUNCLIFF
Core: SUNCLIFF*** ANY ISHMAEL***
Useful: Z Gregor^, Z Faust, Z Sinclair (lol), anyone who can boost Suncliff's survivability.

Notable support passives: Dieci Rodion, Shi Ishmael
Notable EGOs: BLIND OBSESSION^, AEDD^ Heath, Ya Sunyata Heath^, Lantern Sinclair^, Fluid Sac, Pursuance, etc.

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[DEMOPLS]

swap the uptie 4 requirement for 7 heathcliff and rosespanner greg. 7 heath's s2 is +2 rupture count and +1 on clash win at uptie 3, whereas rosespanner greg is only +1 count

Also, i'd consider outis a core member because of ebony stem's passive, meaning that as long as you hit heads she's at least count neutral. Greg is useful but not necessary for rupture to work. Also, outis needs uptie 4 so her s2 is net positive and to fix her atrocious s3

[Reptiloid]

Kurokumo Hong Lu is much better for bleed team imo. In terms of stacking bleed and overall team utility due to paralyze s3. With Twinhook Gregor and t4 Ryoshu he won't be the main damage dealer, but the main source of hurt will be bleed imploding enemies as you clash. I disagree on the bleed count struggle entirely. Next friday, try killing the robot with Kurokumo crew and Nfaust, it will die by turn 6 due to bleed. Not to mention MD with ego gifts like wound cerid and etc.

For poise you will want to have BL Yiy Sang on passive.

For the meme team, I actually have an idea of the stonewall team. By using Zwei Gregor and Faust and some other Id's and egos that give protection, the idea is to nullify all the damage that you get and heal it back with some egos like Pursuance(which also gives prot), and etc. Sadly, with current id's I can't find a way to reliably stack prot and defence up on a big team. Perhaps, running a smaller one will help.

[Birp]

Originally posted by Reptiloid:

Kurokumo Hong Lu is much better for bleed team imo. In terms of stacking bleed and overall team utility due to paralyze s3. With Twinhook Gregor and t4 Ryoshu he won't be the main damage dealer, but the main source of hurt will be bleed imploding enemies as you clash. I disagree on the bleed count struggle entirely. Next friday, try killing the robot with Kurokumo crew and Nfaust, it will die by turn 6 due to bleed. Not to mention MD with ego gifts like wound cerid and etc.

For poise you will want to have BL Yiy Sang on passive.

For the meme team, I actually have an idea of the stonewall team. By using Zwei Gregor and Faust and some other Id's and egos that give protection, the idea is to nuliffy all the damage that you get and heal it back with some egos like Pursuance(which also gives prot), and etc. Sadly, with current id's I can't find a way to reliably stack prot and defence up on a big team. Perhaps, running a smaller one will help.

1. For Kurokumo vs Hook, it kinda depends on the boss you are facing. If it's a boss that uses mostly 1-2 coin skills, then yes, Kurokumo would be better since he's better at inflicting potency. For bosses that uses more 3-4 coin skills or has a lot of actions, you might run into bleed count issues. Hook is also less of a liability for normal fights, but you can use either I guess.

2. BL Yisang support passive is good for Twin Hook Gregor, so I should put that under the bleed section. But if I am going to run a poise team for whatever janky reason... then BL Yisang is one of the few reasons why it would be worthwhile, if I use Blind Obsession to quickly ramp up his poise count, turning him into an actual good id.

3. For Suncliff, it's probably more optimal to just throw him in a normal team than to specifically build around him. But if I'm using Suncliff in the first place, I'm not trying to be optimal xd so yeah.

[Reptiloid]

Originally posted by Birp:

Originally posted by Reptiloid:

Kurokumo Hong Lu is much better for bleed team imo. In terms of stacking bleed and overall team utility due to paralyze s3. With Twinhook Gregor and t4 Ryoshu he won't be the main damage dealer, but the main source of hurt will be bleed imploding enemies as you clash. I disagree on the bleed count struggle entirely. Next friday, try killing the robot with Kurokumo crew and Nfaust, it will die by turn 6 due to bleed. Not to mention MD with ego gifts like wound cerid and etc.

For poise you will want to have BL Yiy Sang on passive.

For the meme team, I actually have an idea of the stonewall team. By using Zwei Gregor and Faust and some other Id's and egos that give protection, the idea is to nuliffy all the damage that you get and heal it back with some egos like Pursuance(which also gives prot), and etc. Sadly, with current id's I can't find a way to reliably stack prot and defence up on a big team. Perhaps, running a smaller one will help.

1. For Kurokumo vs Hook, it kinda depends on the boss you are facing. If it's a boss that uses mostly 1-2 coin skills, then yes, Kurokumo would be better since he's better at inflicting potency. For bosses that uses more 3-4 coin skills or has a lot of actions, you might run into bleed count issues. Hook is also less of a liability for normal fights, but you can use either I guess.

2. BL Yisang support passive is good for Twin Hook Gregor, so I should put that under the bleed section. But if I am going to run a poise team for whatever janky reason... then BL Yisang is one of the few reasons why it would be worthwhile, if I use Blind Obsession to quickly ramp up his poise count, turning him into an actual good id.

3. For Suncliff, it's probably more optimal to just throw him in a normal team than to specifically build around him. But if I'm using Suncliff in the first place, I'm not trying to be optimal xd so yeah.

BL Yiy Sang is more useful for a poise team with his passive than with his id, it allows to stack tremendous amounts of poise.

I wasn't talking about suncliff. You wanted an idea for a meme team, I gave you the one I've been building.

[Birp]

Originally posted by Reptiloid:

BL Yiy Sang is more useful for a poise team with his passive than with his id, it allows to stack tremendous amounts of poise.

I wasn't talking about suncliff. You wanted an idea for a meme team, I gave you the one I've been building.

Aside from Twinhook, any poise id with bl yisang's support passive on it would, I think, be worse than running BL Yisang himself. Probably. This is under the assumption we're running a poise team with multiple poise ids, and we're using Blind Obsession early to help them out.

As for the stonewall team idea, yea for some reason I thought you were talking about suncliff mb.

[Ekimmak]

I would say that in terms of notable burn EGO, you actually want to consider Lifetime Stew (Especially Don Quixote's) to be god tier, compared with all the others being average. It inflicts burn count, rather than high burn stacks. And just getting the burn to stick on the target past one turn is pretty much half the battle.

[Big Mistake]

My quests to find the right Suncliff team have been mixed at best.

Pierre Ryo is a great pairing in MD2H as she allows for reliable healing that doesn't also increase SP + perfect resources for TeleHeath. Despite that I still find his sanity trends too high by the end, even spamming counter and EGO, This pairing also isn't nearly as relevant in something like RR.

R Ishmael provides a great mix of resources for TeleHeath, and also benefits from Charge such that running charge support is more viable.

W Faust has the right resources and good debuffs. Unfortunately, TeleFaust Corrosion can't charge others like Don's can and it competes with Teleheth

W Don pairs well with R Ish and Suncliff, is a good gloom battery, but also competes for Heath's resources.

W Hong, Zwei Faust, and Zwei Greg are all great for making him a better tank as you say, but I struggle to pair them with him as their resource generation is a little off for how I play him. I haven't experimented much with running Sunyata on him though, so that may be the ticket.

[Bishop]

Tbh you could just grab sinking as a core to deal with high defense bosses (this also provides both best tank and best aoe unit in the game) and then mix it with part burn (nclair and liu ish) and part tremor (r faust and molar outis). Then maybe put rabbit or whatever else performs better on the top of it. Bonus point is that it also gives you almost full blunt (great for md2) and multiple sources of sp regen.

Full status teams don't really preform all that great in comparison because bunch of weak and inconsistent units drag them down.

[Birp]

Originally posted by Bishop:

Tbh you could just grab sinking as a core to deal with high defense bosses (this also provides both best tank and best aoe unit in the game) and then mix it with part burn (nclair and liu ish) and part tremor (r faust and molar outis). Then maybe put rabbit or whatever else performs better on the top of it. Bonus point is that it also gives you almost full blunt (great for md2) and multiple sources of sp regen.

Full status teams don't really preform all that great in comparison because bunch of weak and inconsistent units drag them down.

Well, yeah, the main reason to play full status team is because its subjectively more fun, but they are worse than a hodgepodge of meta ids for everything besides maybe boss fights.

Usually a hybrid team is better, the only exception being rupture, you either go full rupture or you go something else.

[Bishop]

Originally posted by Birp:

Well, yeah, the main reason to play full status team is because its subjectively more fun, but they are worse than a hodgepodge of meta ids for everything besides maybe boss fights.

Usually a hybrid team is better, the only exception being rupture, you either go full rupture or you go something else.

Fair enough, it's just probably worth noting that starting with hybrid team of strong units will be better for a new or f2p player with limited resource pull. Building strong mono teams is costly and sadly often doesn't offer much in return (well except charge maybe, this one got a lot of love and is good enough as is now).

[SmallGespenst]

I'd suggest switching the Faust in your Envy team for 7 Faust, since she has Envy on her S1 instead of S3 for better access without reliance on a weak evade. Also add in Chef Ryoshu, she has a strong Envy S2 and can generate Envy with HE Red Eyes.

[DEMOPLS]

Originally posted by SmallGespenst:

I'd suggest switching the Faust in your Envy team for 7 Faust, since she has Envy on her S1 instead of S3 for better access without reliance on a weak evade. Also add in Chef Ryoshu, she has a strong Envy S2 and can generate Envy with HE Red Eyes.

agree with chef ryoshu, but i think N corp faust is better. she has a lust s2 which fuels don quixotes base ego, bodysack and red eyes open, all of which are important on this team. also gaze boosts don's damage

[Big Mistake]

Originally posted by Bishop:

Tbh you could just grab sinking as a core to deal with high defense bosses (this also provides both best tank and best aoe unit in the game) and then mix it with part burn (nclair and liu ish) and part tremor (r faust and molar outis). Then maybe put rabbit or whatever else performs better on the top of it. Bonus point is that it also gives you almost full blunt (great for md2) and multiple sources of sp regen.

Full status teams don't really preform all that great in comparison because bunch of weak and inconsistent units drag them down.

My one issue running Foxcliff as part of a sinking comp is how gloom hungry it is, I've had trouble maintaining the stock necessary to reliably drop Rime Shank while still keeping Heath sanity down in RR2/MD2H. Even despite that I do think you're right that this is one of the more reliable ways to run him.

My love of full commit meme comps has prevented much trying more of a hodgepodge strategy like you recommend with burn + tremor, but I definitely see the potential here. Especially considering if I'm not running Sunyata I may as well run the godlike -coin ID if it works.

I gravitate towards charge as it's pretty well supported in terms of EGO here and I feel like there's great synergy if you get the recipe right but the consistency doesn't quite seem to be there. Or I just haven't found it yet.

[SmallGespenst]

Originally posted by DEMOPLS:

Originally posted by SmallGespenst:

I'd suggest switching the Faust in your Envy team for 7 Faust, since she has Envy on her S1 instead of S3 for better access without reliance on a weak evade. Also add in Chef Ryoshu, she has a strong Envy S2 and can generate Envy with HE Red Eyes.

agree with chef ryoshu, but i think N corp faust is better. she has a lust s2 which fuels don quixotes base ego, bodysack and red eyes open, all of which are important on this team. also gaze boosts don's damage

I disagree; 7 Faust brings a Gloom S2 to the table, which is needed for possible Fluid Sac uses, and enables LCB Yisang's support passive that can help with EGO spamming, and LCB Greg for some passive healing. Also Soda which TT Hong needs to generate Envy and Pursuance, for burst healing. Gloom is a quite high-value Sin resource, and Envy teams don't have good generation for it.

[SpearOfLies]

Lust+Nail+Burn
Core: N Clair^, N Faust*, Liu Ishmael*, Lifetime Stew Don*
Useful: N Don*, Liu Sault*
Maybe: Liu Gregor*, TT Hong Lu*, Chef Ryoshu*, Kurokumo Ryoshu*, Molar Outis*.
Hahaha: Liu Hong Lu.

Notable EGO: All lust EGO. Most of IDs here have spammable Lust EGO. Anything that force Abso Res Lust is good. But if I need to point to the most important ones are Lifetime Stew Don(high aoe burn count) and 9:2 Sinclair(sanity management).

High Sanity gain team. Fanatic to Sinclair to make him deal even more damage. Consistent Nail to make him deal more damage. Abso res to also make him deal even more damage. You need to not go too hard to stop Sinclair to get his sanity too high unless you have 9:2 Sinclair that allow him to lose sanity with lust skills very fast. N Don inflict a lot a nails to guaranteed fanatic value and lust defensive skill. As long someone can apply burn count a little, it's very easy to manage, Liu Sault is to have more consistency with Burn count and also have Lust defensive skill.
Liu Gregor apply a lot of Burn potency and TT Hong Lu have Gluttony dodge. They help if you want to use 9:2 Faust. TT also have Roseate Desire and it's pretty cheap for how much Lust the team produce.
Chef Ryoshu have Lust Dodge and Kurokumo Ryoshu have Lust Guard, Kurokumo can weaken the enemies for the 00 Liu to win clash and have Pierce resistance that the team lack but bleed is very inconsistent to be reliable damage. Chef is overall a better and more consistent ID, Still Kurokumo help use Red Eyes(teth) more.
Molar Outis with discard can get very consistent Lust. It also have Ya Sunyata, She is not fast enough to make use of Lust fragility often but that is an option.
Liu Hong Lu give early burn count consistency but he is pretty much doesn't offer anything after that. Even on the bench, you rather have TT Hong Lu as everyone on this team have above average damage or just very high damage.

Tremor Mixup.

Main Line Up: Molar Yi Sang, N Don, Liu Sault, Liu Ishmael, Rosespanner Rodion, N Clair and Molar Outis

This is theorycrafting of sideteam by using the free slot and the overlapping units of the previous team. If Heathcliff actually have a burn or a tremor IDs, this team shift will be much easier probably. Right now his only utility to the team is N Corp for support passive for extra nails.

If we actually have better bleed applier IDs, we maybe can make the side team to be bleed instead but that is a big nono now.