any new tier List ?

[hellatze]

what is the Best SS type sinner int he game for latest season ?

me : K corp hong lu, Molar outis, Warp Ryo, Rcorp ishmael, Faust regret.

i start to think R corp heathcliff not viable anymore. probably A tier

[jobhobster]

Originally posted by hellatze:

Originally posted by Demonking:

The thing about R-cliff is his main purpose is pure damage and high clash power. That will always be useful outside of a boss with resistance to piercing. The only way R cliff ever isn't good for a fight is if they somehow develop one more about conditions you inflict on the enemy. Ideas come to mind of an enemy that has 10 protection until staggered and gains 1 clash power for each turn of combat, meaning you'd want to bring a Tremor team so you can out pace their clash power.

Alternatively, the other situation I can see them being rendered ineffective is an enemy that steals bullets to make its attacks stronger. These are the main or only cases where R-cliff isn't a main or default choice. Since he doesn't really produce enough personal charge without EGO assistance to make charge sappers that much stronger.

this is situational as he need 6+ speed otherwise
S2 : 12 Clash max
S3 : 13 clash max

Bodysack tho

[jobhobster]

Originally posted by hellatze:

Originally posted by jobhobster:

Ngl Dieci Rodion > K Hong
She is still pretty tanky, why also doing a hella lot of damage, while K Hong is kinda just there (I guess they wanted him to be tank for rapture teams, but his rapture synergy is pathetic)

rodionn cant heal. k jong heal full hp when dying. i assume he have 2x hp

Yeah, but you kill even the hardest content in couple of turns, you don't need that much hp
Maybe later he will become really useful, but for now I believe Dieci Rodya is the best tank you can get for your team

[Coin]

Originally posted by jobhobster:

Originally posted by Coin:

Agreed, he's a good tank, definitely not S tier though.

Ngl Dieci Rodion > K Hong
She is still pretty tanky, why also doing a hella lot of damage, while K Hong is kinda just there (I guess they wanted him to be tank for rapture teams, but his rapture synergy is pathetic)

Yeah she's better for sure. Personally i don't even use Kcorp Hong Lu, would rather use Tingtang or Hook.

[jobhobster]

Originally posted by Coin:

Originally posted by jobhobster:

Ngl Dieci Rodion > K Hong
She is still pretty tanky, why also doing a hella lot of damage, while K Hong is kinda just there (I guess they wanted him to be tank for rapture teams, but his rapture synergy is pathetic)

Yeah she's better for sure. Personally i don't even use Kcorp Hong Lu, would rather use Tigtang or Hook.

Yeah, that's too
For Rodya it's either Dieci or Rose, and Rose, is, yeah, kinda cool, but TT is better. Honestly the main reason I find K Corp unappealing, is that you can't use TT, and TT is really good damage dealer. Now it's not that important, since we got Molar Outis, and Regret Faust, which is pretty solid too I believe, but still it's kinda sucks to lose on TT

[Demonking]

Originally posted by hellatze:

Originally posted by Demonking:

The thing about R-cliff is his main purpose is pure damage and high clash power. That will always be useful outside of a boss with resistance to piercing. The only way R cliff ever isn't good for a fight is if they somehow develop one more about conditions you inflict on the enemy. Ideas come to mind of an enemy that has 10 protection until staggered and gains 1 clash power for each turn of combat, meaning you'd want to bring a Tremor team so you can out pace their clash power.

Alternatively, the other situation I can see them being rendered ineffective is an enemy that steals bullets to make its attacks stronger. These are the main or only cases where R-cliff isn't a main or default choice. Since he doesn't really produce enough personal charge without EGO assistance to make charge sappers that much stronger.

this is situational as he need 6+ speed otherwise
S2 : 12 Clash max
S3 : 13 clash max

6+ speed pretty generous. He's almost guaranteed to get it with any haste and haste is pretty easy to get.

[hellatze]

Originally posted by jobhobster:

Originally posted by hellatze:

this is situational as he need 6+ speed otherwise
S2 : 12 Clash max
S3 : 13 clash max

Bodysack tho

if hearh need bodysack that make his clash situational

[EloyTheProS]

Regret Faust isn't exactly SS material. She's great for story content but struggles with doing single target damage. She'll be at her best in story because of enemies being able to live long enough for her to stack up on Tremor to do her AOEs, otherwise she'll struggle a lot more than you make it out to be.

K Hong Lu's effective HP is very cool, but it is nowhere near making him SS tier. He still struggles with clashing and even when he wins won't do too much damage. A more effective tank is Dieci Rodion with decent clashing and great damage while still being able to absorb hits and getting rewarded with blunt damage up for taking hits.

And of course. R Heathcliff is still top tier with N-Sinclair. Not everyone in the team needs to clash against every single thing and calling +6 speed situational is true but it's one of the easiest conditions to fulfill when Body Sack exists plus Yi Sang's Base EGO is also there to give AOE Haste. And let's not forget that he applies 4 Fragile on S3, 4 Fragile is really REALLY powerful.

[Bishop]

I don't particularly care about tier lists but I use different teams based on the type of content. My goto usually:

Md2 farm team (replace sincalir for yusang if starting gift is ego regenerative)
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3070061510

Md2h no retry time waste team (faust starts as l corp)
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3070061179

Ticket daily team, lol
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3070060787

And for 95 turn rr2 I used this (new faust can replace 7 but 7 generates gloom which is just too important tbh..):
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3070060468
Charge, sink, sanity regen and health regen pretty much.

Ymmv ofcourse.

And yeah saying that rabbit is not meta is just blasphemy. Its the best unit in game by wide margin.

[Angela]

K corp hong lu is the best tank in the game, but that doesn't mean hes a must have if you need a tank, unless you're on a rupture team where he has synergy with them,
apart of that the only Tank you ever need is Dieci Rodion, she is:
-Second tankies id
-Probably the most consistent id in terms of damage and have decent clash power, definitely more consistent than any other non-discrad id by long shot bcs there is a way to make every singe one of her skill 15 coins power, you only need 1 turn to set this up and it will applied for the rest of the fight
-Due to her consistency, she can compete with top-tier charge dpsers, which is saying a lot because shes a tank, she arent suposed to do lots of damage as a tank
just look at KK Hong lu, or any other tank, their damage is medicore except maybe Zwai Gregor, even then his damage is nothin top tier.

Rcorp Ishmael is worse than W Don and W Ryoshu
-Yes, of course she's more consistent than them, but her damage is less, not that she's bad at dealing damage but she can't compete with them and she has no other utility outside of damage and clash power, unlike W Don and W Ryoshu
-The only thing that is good for her compared to them is that she has an amazing S1 and that's it, her S2 is only slightly better in clash power than W Don and would lose to W Don if she already has charge to boost her S2
-W Ryoshu has a better S2 in every way even with un charged clash power because of her +5 offense, Ishmael only has +1
-Her S3 only deals about 2/3 the damage of their S3, and has less clash power (and it's not even an Envy skill, duh).

R Corp Heathcliff still has the best S3 in the game, all other OP skill in history of mankind? Bodysack+Quick Suppression = every single one of them will deal +40% more damage, you dont even need him to clash well or did lots of damage by his own (which he did can clash and deal lots of damage by his own, he has the most coins out of any ids and +5 offense) and he will still be viable.
that all I need to say about him, really.

[jobhobster]

Originally posted by AI Angola:

K corp hong lu is the best tank in the game, but that doesn't mean hes a must have if you need a tank, unless you're on a rupture team where he has synergy with them,
apart of that the only Tank you ever need is Dieci Rodion, she is:
-Second tankies id
-Probably the most consistent id in terms of damage and have decent clash power, definitely more consistent than any other non-discrad id by long shot bcs there is a way to make every singe one of her skill 15 coins power, you only need 1 turn to set this up and it will applied for the rest of the fight
-Due to her consistency, she can compete with top-tier charge dpsers, which is saying a lot because shes a tank, she arent suposed to do lots of damage as a tank
just look at KK Hong lu, or any other tank, their damage is medicore except maybe Zwai Gregor, even then his damage is nothin top tier.

Rcorp Ishmael is worse than W Don and W Ryoshu
-Yes, of course she's more consistent than them, but her damage is less, not that she's bad at dealing damage but she can't compete with them and she has no other utility outside of damage and clash power, unlike W Don and W Ryoshu
-The only thing that is good for her compared to them is that she has an amazing S1 and that's it, her S2 is only slightly better in clash power than W Don and would lose to W Don if she already has charge to boost her S2
-W Ryoshu has a better S2 in every way even with un charged clash power because of her +5 offense, Ishmael only has +1
-Her S3 only deals about 2/3 the damage of their S3, and has less clash power (and it's not even an Envy skill, duh).

R Corp Heathcliff still has the best S3 in the game, all other OP skill in history of mankind? Bodysack+Quick Suppression = every single one of them will deal +40% more damage, you dont even need him to clash well or did lots of damage by his own (which he did can clash and deal lots of damage by his own, he has the most coins out of any ids and +5 offense) and he will still be viable.
that all I need to say about him, really.

Idk why you started bashing R Ish but okay. Yeah, she is less DPS, but a really good clasher, and, well, just really consistent, that's cool.

[Ben bitmişim]

Originally posted by hellatze:

Originally posted by Ben bitmişim:

I need what ur smoking if you actually think R heathcliff won't be viable anymore lmao

his clash rating is outdated

Lol charge IDs got you guys so brainwashed that you think an ideal clash rating is like 30+

Yeah R heath doesn't roll as high as W don or W ryoshu but the content isn't hard enough to call R heath's clashing bad. Still one of the best ID's and he's there to stay.

[Angela]

Ehh? I said she's not as good as W Don and W Ryoshu and gave my reasons since OP have her in list but somehow forgot W Don exist, and all the "bashing" doesn't mean she is medicore because those 2 are more or less top 5 ids, no shame of being compared and outdone by Top S tier.

[SmallGespenst]

Originally posted by hellatze:

Originally posted by jobhobster:

Bodysack tho

if hearh need bodysack that make his clash situational

it's not really situational when the only situation it doesn't work is if you get a turn-1 bottom slot QS, and even then it's easy to stall for a natural 6-speed.
R-Heath doesn't have quite the same god-tier performance in RR that he did in RR1 without reset-scumming and the skill-cycling bug, but he's still a complete monster. There's a reason his T4 doesn't touch his base performance.

[SmallGespenst]

Originally posted by AI Angola:

Rcorp Ishmael is worse than W Don and W Ryoshu
-Yes, of course she's more consistent than them, but her damage is less, not that she's bad at dealing damage but she can't compete with them and she has no other utility outside of damage and clash power, unlike W Don and W Ryoshu
-The only thing that is good for her compared to them is that she has an amazing S1 and that's it, her S2 is only slightly better in clash power than W Don and would lose to W Don if she already has charge to boost her S2
-W Ryoshu has a better S2 in every way even with un charged clash power because of her +5 offense, Ishmael only has +1
-Her S3 only deals about 2/3 the damage of their S3, and has less clash power (and it's not even an Envy skill, duh).

Did you forget R-Ish is a Sinking ID? at T4 she doesn't have a single coin that doesn't carry Sinking, and her S2 is even one of few Count-positive skills in the game, it's just a shame she has to compete with Crab-mael for the role in Sinking teams.
Also being the third-place Charge DPS doesn't mean much, since you have 5/7 slots. You can just use all three of them and win harder.

[Angela]

Originally posted by SmallGespenst:

Originally posted by AI Angola:

Rcorp Ishmael is worse than W Don and W Ryoshu
-Yes, of course she's more consistent than them, but her damage is less, not that she's bad at dealing damage but she can't compete with them and she has no other utility outside of damage and clash power, unlike W Don and W Ryoshu
-The only thing that is good for her compared to them is that she has an amazing S1 and that's it, her S2 is only slightly better in clash power than W Don and would lose to W Don if she already has charge to boost her S2
-W Ryoshu has a better S2 in every way even with un charged clash power because of her +5 offense, Ishmael only has +1
-Her S3 only deals about 2/3 the damage of their S3, and has less clash power (and it's not even an Envy skill, duh).

Did you forget R-Ish is a Sinking ID? at T4 she doesn't have a single coin that doesn't carry Sinking, and her S2 is even one of few Count-positive skills in the game, it's just a shame she has to compete with Crab-mael for the role in Sinking teams.
Also being the third-place Charge DPS doesn't mean much, since you have 5/7 slots. You can just use all three of them and win harder.

Her Sinking is bad, barely net positive to her S2 and that is her best Sinking Skill, like W Don have Rapture application tho but cmon, her Rupture is bad
Same for her, you wouldn't notice it with Rime Shank and Spicebush around, sure she won't hurt Sinking team but she doesn't add much, boat Ishmael is a much better id for Sinking at the cost of worse clash power but with better debuffs.

Again btw, im not saying her damage is bad im literally saying:
"her damage is less, not that she's "bad at dealing damage" but she "can't compete" with them