What is your MD2H strategy for the Bull?

[Kildread]

I finally had the rematch after the failure of the first time I fought him and... most of his attacks will have an upper clash range that beats the EGOs I've got, nevermind regular attacks, which usually have one chance to clash win if he happens to roll all-tails.

Ended up giving up once, retrying the fight and had a nice Turn 2 S3 from Yi Sang. Did corroded Rime Shank on the first turn, then again on the second turn (Both procced the Rusty Coin, so that's 4 times and the last time hit 2 party members XD), finishing with that S3 I had seen on the upcoming skill list.

Nuked it for 2000+ damage on that Sinking Deluge, which is really just cheesing it. I don't realistically see how the clashes can be reliably won otherwise. Bring only IDs that resist Blunt so they can take the hits and push through as many one-sided strikes as you can? Before the retry, Dieci Rodion could tank hits decently, but not really win clashes.

[Bishop]

Anything that doesn't deal damage directly really. Burn, sinking, whatever, rime shark is kinda broken op so just spamming it works fine. Having tank or two that can eat bullrushes to buy time. Using high clash power egos to deal with the rest.

I mean its the type of boss that you either have correct setup to beat or just skip and get 5 less bp points (still counts as a win in my book). Personally I don't build my teams around it so whatever happens happens.

[Angela]

Not much to it since all he have is high rolls coins, you only need to nuke him with Ego and strong S2 and or S3, so ids like Charge ids, Nclair, Tingtang etc
You can beat him in 3 or 4 turn without Sinking Deluge if you have a lots of Ego or Skill who can boost party dps like Quick suppression, or ego smt like Hong Lu Dimensional shredder, stack as many buff like those and you good.

This is also why you gotta save Ego resource and tbh prior to floor 4 bosses you shouldn't have too much of issue to beating everyone else without relied on ego, the only exception I can think of is when you meet with Guido as floor 1 bosses but even then, 1 or 2 Ego should be sufficient.

[Minh]

E.xtermination of G.eometrical O.rgan Awakening Skills & Corrosion Skills to Win Clashes. E.xtermination of G.eometrical O.rgan Meursault Chains of Others Awakening Skills on Body Part every TURN. E.xtermination of G.eometrical O.rgan Faust Representation Emitter Awakening Skills for Sanity Points.

[A5G_Reaper]

Charge squad can decently clash him even without EGO, though it's still a major slog.

[Beggar 🐀]

Not gonna lie.
I just forfeit the fight 😎

[nonel9]

Forfeiting and taking my reward

[Mastema]

Read his passives and kill him in 4-5 turns.

[Demonking]

I usually bring nails healthcliff so if I can swing it, I tend to try to hit it with a combination of coin power drop and Meursalt. Combine that with a little bit of fanatic and some of the attack power dropping ego gifts and the numbers become more managable for most of the team even as sanity begins to drop.

[Kildread]

Guess the Sinking cheese will be my go-to until I either try a Charge team. On the first attempt, no EGO could actually clash him 100% unless he rolled tails (Sometimes all tails were needed for it, and of course, he'd have constant heads). At best he'd have 3~5 final power more than the upper limit I had. I don't really have a lot of EGOs, and threadspinning them is low on the list.

Though... noted on the Attack Power Down and/or Paralyze.

Originally posted by Angola:

This is also why you gotta save Ego resource and tbh prior to floor 4 bosses you shouldn't have too much of issue to beating everyone else without relied on ego, the only exception I can think of is when you meet with Guido as floor 1 bosses but even then, 1 or 2 Ego should be sufficient.

By picking EGO res generating gifts? I had 10 to 30 of each res and that was with being frugal with my usage. Most fights were done in a 2 to 4 turns. I don't recall ever having obnoxious amounts of resources unless I ended up with the Blue Zippo Lighter or the like. Only had the Disk Fragment that I got on floor 4(?), but I'm no longer taking many turns on the fights I do fight, which leaves me strapped for some of the res I generate little of. I pretty much burned through the accumulated gloom res just by spamming Rime Shank on the second try.

That run, I had the Hurtily 3 robots, the red sheet Liberation dude, the Snake Inquisitor duo (With the poison effect at 50% HP), the Doll and then the bull. All the prior fights were done with minimal EGO usage (From memory... 2 Fluid Sac, 1 Crow's Eye View, 1 Snagharpoon, 1 Bodysack and 1 Rime Shank).

Although I did take a lot of event tiles without fights.

[Angela]

Originally posted by Kildread:

Originally posted by Angola:

This is also why you gotta save Ego resource and tbh prior to floor 4 bosses you shouldn't have too much of issue to beating everyone else without relied on ego, the only exception I can think of is when you meet with Guido as floor 1 bosses but even then, 1 or 2 Ego should be sufficient.

By picking EGO res generating gifts? I had 10 to 30 of each res and that was with being frugal with my usage. Most fights were done in a 2 to 4 turns. I don't recall ever having obnoxious amounts of resources unless I ended up with the Blue Zippo Lighter or the like. Only had the Disk Fragment that I got on floor 4(?), but I'm no longer taking many turns on the fights I do fight, which leaves me strapped for some of the res I generate little of. I pretty much burned through the accumulated gloom res just by spamming Rime Shank on the second try.

That run, I had the Hurtily 3 robots, the red sheet Liberation dude, the Snake Inquisitor duo (With the poison effect at 50% HP), the Doll and then the bull. All the prior fights were done with minimal EGO usage (From memory... 2 Fluid Sac, 1 Crow's Eye View, 1 Snagharpoon, 1 Bodysack and 1 Rime Shank).

Although I did take a lot of event tiles without fights.

Ego gifts certainly help but i dont relied on it because its random and you dont guarantee to get one. Generally speaking for lower floors, i do not use much ego except for Fluid sac for quick SP gain and heal (its my only healing ego), i think it mosly because im using charge team for the most part and only now im stating to mix Sinking ids into it, charge have plenty of high rolls ids so they were very good in human battle.

For humans/mobs battles, don't be shy to restart the fight if it don't go to your favor because those are the fight where you should gather ego resource instead of spending it, and imo if you are low on ego resources you should deff take those fight over abno events since events will not guarantee to give you smt good or even smt useful, also in most cases Guard/Evade>>S1 so if you get unfavorable clash with S1, use their Guard/Evade, your goal is to generate tons of egos for Floor 4 bosses and 5. I wish I can tell more but most of my experience on MD2H is just Unga-bunga with high rolls ids and spamming Egos on bosses.

[bleh]

i don't really think there is a strategy for him other than break head before 3+ unresolved sorrow for a free stagger. he just forces you to match his clash power or die to him, any potency effect absolutely rolls him over though especially sinking. though sinking rolls anything over atm.

[Reptiloid]

You might want to stack up on some good boosts from normal md. I beat hin twice using charge team and sinking team w gregor. Paralys helps, meur's basic ego tho needs set up, and yi sang's basic ego. Having a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of ego res to clash everything with ego works as well.

[Ben bitmişim]

Spam meursault base ego to turn the fight into a joke

[DEMOPLS]

i just use zwei gregor with aedd. wrath and blunt resist

[DT]

Win all clash to stack sorrow debuff so it change into sorrow state then hit it head part.