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76561199247153524 Oct 28, 2023 @ 8:01am
brazen bull is still the most op unfair boss in game
yeah no explaining needed if any of you can help please do cuz this guy just rolls 20 on each of his skills and my team is literally something i used to beat everything with now it doesnt work anymore
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Iggy the Unwise Oct 28, 2023 @ 8:08am 
Ego spam and paralyze is the way.
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Eleazar Oct 28, 2023 @ 8:13am 
tanks like hong lu k-corp can help there but only if you upgrade it to tier 4 because of his aggro on his skills and his inmortality, but if you dont have that you should clash his skills with egos that have more than 28 - 30 clash power for him to stack up to 3 tear debuffs, that creates a head and you can stagger it and deal massive damage... i dont know your team comp so i cant guarantee your success
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jobhobster Oct 28, 2023 @ 8:14am 
Originally posted by overdrivelmao:
yeah no explaining needed if any of you can help please do cuz this guy just rolls 20 on each of his skills and my team is literally something i used to beat everything with now it doesnt work anymore
Bring tank with both blunt and wrath resistance, and watch this moron bashing his head against 200 hp sinner which receives only 0.25x of damage. Or even generally good tank, like Dieci Rodya or K Hong. R Mers with Regret/Capote is good too.
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Demonking Oct 28, 2023 @ 8:15am 
Not that you have any control when you fight them but brazen bull seems to have been designed with 'high coin numbers' as it's main and almost only gimmick. In normal play he's relatively fine because only his 3 coin attack really requires the use of Ego or rather fittingly dodge to defeat. In hard mode you don't quite get that lucky and I honestly believe brazen bull should be moved for their own game mode.

As it stands, the Brazen Bull is something you should prepare for well in advance. You want either the ability to stack up bleed, burn, or trauma incredibly high because you get at least 3 attacks on him that will not be interrupted. As for his skills, while he does hit quite hard for the most part anyone with a resistance to blunt damage can tank most of them. If you don't want to use EGOs to counter something someone with block and a blunt resistance is a great pick to just tank the shot. Always, and I mean always, counter the 3 coin attack however. Even if you don't beat it knocking off 1 or 2 coins will actually let you survive.

Obviously, your goal is to stagger him if you can, or simply to build up his special status effect so that he's forced to switch modes. I usually go for staggering because I find the status effect unreliable and my of my teams make use of previously mentioned status effects. Rupture also works on the right team, but most of those will be scrambling for moves that can do anything about him.
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jobhobster Oct 28, 2023 @ 8:15am 
Originally posted by Aurelion:
tanks like hong lu k-corp can help there but only if you upgrade it to tier 4 because of his aggro on his skills and his inmortality, but if you dont have that you should clash his skills with egos that have more than 28 - 30 clash power for him to stack up to 3 tear debuffs, that creates a head and you can stagger it and deal massive damage... i dont know your team comp so i cant guarantee your success
K Corp is cool, yeah, but other good tanks can also do the job well, I say that from my experience with using Dieci Rodya/R Mers
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Minh Oct 28, 2023 @ 8:24am 
It has 1 Part most of the time so E.xtermination of G.eometrical O.rgan Meursault Chains of Others Awakening Skills are good in almost all TURNs.
Last edited by Minh; Dec 14, 2023 @ 7:51pm
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76561199247153524 Oct 28, 2023 @ 8:28am 
LMAO ABSOLUTELY IGNORE WHAT I SAID I SOMEHOW MANAGED TO DEAL 700 800 DAMAGE WITH LC FAUST S3 ON HIM IDK HOW BUT IT JUST HAPPENED
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Minh Oct 28, 2023 @ 8:31am 
Originally posted by overdrivelmao:
LMAO ABSOLUTELY IGNORE WHAT I SAID I SOMEHOW MANAGED TO DEAL 700 800 DAMAGE WITH LC FAUST S3 ON HIM IDK HOW BUT IT JUST HAPPENED
E.xtermination of G.eometrical O.rgan Gift Special Contract.
Last edited by Minh; Oct 28, 2023 @ 8:31am
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CarThief Oct 28, 2023 @ 8:55am 
Yeah, as bosses go he's probably the hardest in Hard MD runs (MFO being the most annoying). Honestly can't give any good advice beyond E.G.O spam and bringing some high-rollers in your team who can roll 30+'s or close reliably (R-Ishmael, W-Don, W-Ryoshu, TT-HongLu, N-Sinclair, etc).

Well, there is one thing you can do. Just quit. Seriously. Just quit at the boss node on floor 5, and you get 99% rewards (AKA everything minus 5 BP XP points, but that's miniscule when you got 220 or so left minus the 5). Or so I heard anyway.

Some bosses aren't worth it. Or there isn't enough time. Or it's just typical PM design with bloated HP. Always consider quitting as a option. 5 BP, or 15 minutes? What do you value more?
Last edited by CarThief; Oct 28, 2023 @ 8:56am
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DEMOPLS Oct 28, 2023 @ 8:57am 
just bring a tank
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Angela Oct 28, 2023 @ 9:23am 
I mean, I consistently unga bunga him within 4 turns at most without need to do sinking cheese. MFO is harder or rather takes longer for me simply because I don't bother strategizing.
Last edited by Angela; Oct 28, 2023 @ 9:23am
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Atma Oct 28, 2023 @ 9:58am 
Originally posted by Iggy the Unwise:
Ego spam and paralyze is the way.
It outclashes a lot of the E.G.O. To apply paralyze you need to win clashes in the first place or outspeed it with multiple Identities, good luck with that.
Originally posted by Demonking:
Not that you have any control when you fight them.
Brazen bull is a singular entity.
Originally posted by CarThief:
Yeah, as bosses go he's probably the hardest in Hard MD runs
Nah, that's Centipede. The bull is a close second though.
Originally posted by CarThief:
Well, there is one thing you can do. Just quit.
I see you still haven't leveled up your manliness and don't OVERCOME THE ODDS.
Originally posted by AI Angola:
I mean, I consistently unga bunga him within 4 turns at most
We have a badass over here.
Last edited by Atma; Oct 28, 2023 @ 9:59am
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Angela Oct 28, 2023 @ 10:04am 
What badass? beating him in 4 turns is nothing special
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Iggy the Unwise Oct 28, 2023 @ 10:59am 
Originally posted by Atma:
Originally posted by Iggy the Unwise:
Ego spam and paralyze is the way.
It outclashes a lot of the E.G.O. To apply paralyze you need to win clashes in the first place or outspeed it with multiple Identities, good luck with that.
Originally posted by Demonking:
Not that you have any control when you fight them.
Brazen bull is a singular entity.
Originally posted by CarThief:
Yeah, as bosses go he's probably the hardest in Hard MD runs
Nah, that's Centipede. The bull is a close second though.
Originally posted by CarThief:
Well, there is one thing you can do. Just quit.
I see you still haven't leveled up your manliness and don't OVERCOME THE ODDS.
Originally posted by AI Angola:
I mean, I consistently unga bunga him within 4 turns at most
We have a badass over here.
The bull has a speed range of 1 to 4, not a big rng fest to get 2-3 sinners to outspeed him. especially with the buffs.
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CarThief Oct 28, 2023 @ 12:46pm 
I guess I'm lucky I have all the E.G.O to the point I can just pick something high-rolling on every Sinner. Though even that is far from a guarantee when the godamn thing can roll 30+ on REGULAR ATTACKS. (You really want IDs that can roll natural 30+'s themselves here!)

Seems questionable that the Centipede is actually harder, though it does like to consistently roll 20+ on every slot, and have more then 4 attack slots, and use AOEs. So there's some merit to the idea, but eh, E.G.O can much easier outroll his 20's then the Bull's 30+ attacks.

But I guess they both suck. If it werent for the fact that I have time to kill (as this is only weekly), I'd just skip em.
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