Is Hook Office Hong Lu better than Kurokumo Washou Hong Lu?

[Everoth]

They seem about the same, except hook does not clash as high as washou, and they have cloud cutter. So I am not sure about the damage and bleed. Who should I use for the bleed team? Is it even worth leveling hook office if you already have a washou Hong Lu?

[Eleazar]

bleed teams refuse to exist outside of ego gifts

[Everoth]

Originally posted by Aurelion:

bleed teams refuse to exist outside of ego gifts

Not really, I had pretty good success with my N corp bleed team, nails being put to good use

Attendum: But I understand, the bleed kurokumo and lineage team seems worst for bleed than the N corp one

[jobhobster]

Originally posted by Everoth:

They seem about the same, except hook does not clash as high as washou, and they have cloud cutter. So I am not sure about the damage and bleed. Who should I use for the bleed team? Is it even worth leveling hook office if you already have a washou Hong Lu?

Wait what
Hook rolls 16 on s2 with speed bonus, KK rolls only 13, and it's fairly easy to get speed bonus on Hook tbh

[bleh]

hook is more consistent and faster than kuro, i personally use hook in my bleed team comp now over kuro. also the defense is an evade which is a big + with free haste up 3 times per turn.

[Everoth]

I get those two, but I am wondering if I will loose a lot for not having cloud cut by swapping to hook

[bleh]

Originally posted by Everoth:

I get those two, but I am wondering if I will loose a lot for not having cloud cut by swapping to hook

u lose out on 4 bleed and gain 4 bleed count

[Everoth]

Originally posted by bleh:

Originally posted by Everoth:

I get those two, but I am wondering if I will loose a lot for not having cloud cut by swapping to hook

u lose out on 4 bleed and gain 4 bleed count

I meant the damage, since bleed is really unreliable and lacks in any efficiency lately. The cloud cut damage help me a lot of many dungeons and the railroad, and since I cant really tell what would be the max damage possible from both I am having a lot of trouble comparing. Not to mention hook seems to be able to clash less efficiently due to low coin value, right?

[H11DN-D4NG3R]

Another thing to think about is Pierce vs slash dmg types

[A5G_Reaper]

Just looking at raw damage, Kurokumo deals 11 / 9+13+17+21 / 9+11+13 damage on his skills (11/60/33) while Hook deals 8+12 / 8+12+16 / 7+10+13+16+bonus ( 20/36/46+). Kurokumo only have cloud cutter going for him and the rest of his kit are flat out bad damage-wise, not to mention the clash power being low enough that he's practically out of the fight by floor 3 hard MD. Remember that lose clash = 0 damage.

Personally, I'd take the hook version. Getting enough speed isn't that hard, and clash is just too important in fights that matter.

[1162706830]

11*3+60*2+33=186
20*3+36*2+46=178

Yeah, even max speed hook deals lesser damage. Never to mention 3-7 speed means only 40% chance for 6+ speed. So KK Hong Lu is apparently better in non-MD2H levels. In normal MD2 he's even better because you may get another cloud cutter.

[1162706830]

And KK Hong Lu DOESNT fit bleed team for he needs LESSER bleed count to trigger cloud cutter.

[Coin]

He is way better imo. Definitely miles better in MDH.

[Angela]

Originally posted by 1162706830:

11*3+60*2+33=186
20*3+36*2+46=178

Yeah, even max speed hook deals lesser damage. Never to mention 3-7 speed means only 40% chance for 6+ speed. So KK Hong Lu is apparently better in non-MD2H levels. In normal MD2 he's even better because you may get another cloud cutter.

Hook Hong lu can gain 2 haste from his S2, so use his S2 prior to S3.
and oh have you taken his Offense level into consideration? KK have 0 Offense level, Hook have +1, 2, and 3 for his skills

Actually nvm even with 0 Offense level it still wrong, when used on broken part (so 0 heal) his S3 will deal +50% damage so 69 dmg + around 9% more dmg and +1 clash power because it has + 3 Offense

[Bishop]

Err its alright alternative, sure. It wont reach the damage numbers on kuro s2 but everything else is generally better on this one.

[Everoth]

Thanks for all the detailed info, this makes it much more digestible, I guess it is a really good option to replace my kk Hong Lu, good thing they are giving them by the bunch on this banner, I had like over 12 on 4 pulls