A Pity system? New Mirror Dungeon? How are these things a good thing?

[Evarrice]

- A Pity system that needs 200 pulls for guaranteed banner ID/EGO and does not carry over.

200 Pulls!? I barely even get 100 pulls as an F2P! Where are we supposed to get 26,000 Lunacy!?

And it doea not carry over? So it only works for a single banner and it becomes useless on the next one?

I mean, if you get the banner 000 and/or EGO in a banner, your accumulative pulls won't count if you try for different one?

Wut.

- Removal of FREE daily Mirror Dungeon run.

What!? How is this an upgrade to the Mirror dungeon!? That free run is like one of the good things in the game!

It doesn't even help that their so-called skip feature is nothing more than something that costs more MDs at the price of LESS rewards!

Hnrgh.

[Nope]

Look like someone skipping details for some internet fame
again

[Sphericalicious]

Not sure about how the pity system will work and whether or not you get more currency for a wrong 00 or a wrong 000. I'll have to wait to see how it actually works. It seems intended for the regular permanent banner rather than the rate up for f2ps.

As for free mirror dungeon. You get 20*3 + 4*7 exp per week for a total of 88 exp per week.

If you do free mirror dungeon and spend 18 extra modules, you'll get 42 extra for a total of 130 exp.

In the new hard dungeon, you spend your weekly bonus to get 75*3 exp per week for 225 exp per week at a cost of 18 modules.

This doesn't factor in time cost, you have to do 13 whole mirror dungeon runs just for 130 exp per week while you only need 3 runs for 225 per week.

So in the new system, you have to spend your currency but you spend way less time in mirror dungeon and you only need to worry about doing it 3 times compared to the 7 times from before.

[SmallGespenst]

Among Pity systems I've seen 200 hundred is relatively generous, Arknights takes 300 and is exclusive to limited unit banners, Fate is 300, Genshin is one of few to be more generous, and that's just to mitigate the absolutely dire 0.6% drop rate they use to limit luck.
You also need to consider that's 200 to get everything of that character, none of the "well their super-move can only be levelled by consuming up to four dupes" or Genshin's abhorrent constellations

[Atma]

We don't really know how the pity system works currently, therefore we can't comment on it.
The new Mirror Dungeon technically provides more BP, however it might also take more than 2 times longer to complete. If I understand correctly the 3 bonuses per week are separate for hard mode dungeon, which means that we can run 6 dungeons per week for the bonuses (3 normal and 3 hard) and get 1500 lunacy instead of 750 now, that's quite nice.

[Mastema]

I don't gib a ♥♥♥♥ bout all that, i'm only slightly annoyed they're dropping quality in EGO making, specifically corrossions.

[Sphericalicious]

Originally posted by Mastema:

I don't gib a ♥♥♥♥ bout all that, i'm only slightly annoyed they're dropping quality in EGO making, specifically corrossions.

I think all free battlepass EGOs have a visible LCB suit and a somewhat lackluster corrosion (except 4th match but that's a featured EGO.)

It seems Centipede and the bull are the free EGOs so they have a not-so-monstrous corrosion while Sunshower is the paid version so Outis gets to go full furry.

[Mastema]

Originally posted by Sphericalicious:

Originally posted by Mastema:

I don't gib a ♥♥♥♥ bout all that, i'm only slightly annoyed they're dropping quality in EGO making, specifically corrossions.

I think all free battlepass EGOs have a visible LCB suit and a somewhat lackluster corrosion (except 4th match but that's a featured EGO.)

It seems Centipede and the bull are the free EGOs so they have a not-so-monstrous corrosion while Sunshower is the paid version so Outis gets to go full furry.

Yeah you're probably right. Just hoping the other BP premium egos besides Umbrella Fox will look a lot better.

[Nope]

Originally posted by Atma:

We don't really know how the pity system works currently, therefore we can't comment on it.
The new Mirror Dungeon technically provides more BP, however it might also take more than 2 times longer to complete. If I understand correctly the 3 bonuses per week are separate for hard mode dungeon, which means that we can run 6 dungeons per week for the bonuses (3 normal and 3 hard) and get 1500 lunacy instead of 750 now, that's quite nice.

Lunacy is still only from weeklies bonus, Hard dungeon only is capped it rewards at 3 time a week, which is 50 EXP without bonus for 6 module
MD2 might take 2 time more to complete but you got the reward of 3 MD1 run (new change 10EXP/run) which is still better
Plus we got extra 285 nominatable box added to BP free tier in exchange for free MD daily removal

[SmallGespenst]

Originally posted by Nope:

Originally posted by Atma:

We don't really know how the pity system works currently, therefore we can't comment on it.
The new Mirror Dungeon technically provides more BP, however it might also take more than 2 times longer to complete. If I understand correctly the 3 bonuses per week are separate for hard mode dungeon, which means that we can run 6 dungeons per week for the bonuses (3 normal and 3 hard) and get 1500 lunacy instead of 750 now, that's quite nice.

Lunacy is still only from weeklies bonus, Hard dungeon only is capped it rewards at 3 time a week, which is 50 EXP without bonus for 6 module
MD2 might take 2 time more to complete but you got the reward of 3 MD1 run (new change 10EXP/run) which is still better
Plus we got extra 285 nominatable box added to BP free tier in exchange for free MD daily removal

Lunacy is still only from weekly bonus runs, but there's a second set of bonus runs for hard mode that are independent from the normal mode set, so that's one lot of lunacy for normal mode and a second batch from hard mode.

[Nope]

Originally posted by SmallGespenst:

Originally posted by Nope:

Lunacy is still only from weeklies bonus, Hard dungeon only is capped it rewards at 3 time a week, which is 50 EXP without bonus for 6 module
MD2 might take 2 time more to complete but you got the reward of 3 MD1 run (new change 10EXP/run) which is still better
Plus we got extra 285 nominatable box added to BP free tier in exchange for free MD daily removal

Lunacy is still only from weekly bonus runs, but there's a second set of bonus runs for hard mode that are independent from the normal mode set, so that's one lot of lunacy for normal mode and a second batch from hard mode.

although they attempt to make it clear is still confuse people, but no
The rewards of Hard dungeon can only be claim 3 time a week which is the 50 BP EXP with or without bonus, once you claimed 3 time you cannot claim more from Hard dungeon anymore till weekly reset
Not that Hard dungeon have a separate bonus that also give Lunacy

[SmallGespenst]

Originally posted by Nope:

Originally posted by SmallGespenst:

Lunacy is still only from weekly bonus runs, but there's a second set of bonus runs for hard mode that are independent from the normal mode set, so that's one lot of lunacy for normal mode and a second batch from hard mode.

although they attempt to make it clear is still confuse people, but no
The rewards of Hard dungeon can only be claim 3 time a week which is the 50 BP EXP with or without bonus, once you claimed 3 time you cannot claim more from Hard dungeon anymore till weekly reset
Not that Hard dungeon have a separate bonus that also give Lunacy

No, it's very clear that hard mode is 75 BPEXP and 250 Lunacy with bonus, 50 BPEXP without, there's a table for MD rewards and everything, with it explicitly stated that hard mode bonus is 3 per week independent of regular weekly bonuses.

[Nope]

Originally posted by SmallGespenst:

Originally posted by Nope:

although they attempt to make it clear is still confuse people, but no
The rewards of Hard dungeon can only be claim 3 time a week which is the 50 BP EXP with or without bonus, once you claimed 3 time you cannot claim more from Hard dungeon anymore till weekly reset
Not that Hard dungeon have a separate bonus that also give Lunacy

No, it's very clear that hard mode is 75 BPEXP and 250 Lunacy with bonus, 50 BPEXP without, there's a table for MD rewards and everything, with it explicitly stated that hard mode bonus is 3 per week independent of regular weekly bonuses.

Continue to page 11 Hard Dungeon Preview, please
It say there you can apply weekly bonus (limit to 3) to Hard dungeon reward claim (limit to 3) to optimize BP gain
There also a table show that too

[CarThief]

-Is 200 pulls actually confirmed data? Because that's physically impossible for non-whales. No-one has that much free currency. I mean, atleast they won't have to gamble away their money knowing they'll get a drop the brute-force way, but this is not a "pity" system anymore, it's just a "buy out for like 100+ bucks" system.

If the data is unconfirmed, I can only assume it won't be far off from 200 pulls. There is NO chance PM will make it any bit acceptable/easy to do, I dunno, get it for 50 pulls.
In my own interpretations, it does seem to be a temporary currency, meaning it expires the moment the banner does. And the pessimist in me assumes it'll only apply to temporary banners.

All in all, it'll undoubtedly suck, be worthless, stingy, ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, and greedy. I expect nothing else, considering PM still incorrectly advertises every 10th pull being a pity-reward, but this doesn't actually apply to single pulls, only 10-pulls.

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-Atleast it's been confirmed Mirror Dungeons CAN be played for free. They just changed it to act like the railway. You play, then you pay (in Modules) to claim the rewards. Or not, up to you. I guess this was to reduce exessive menu button clutter.

Though I guess that does indeed mean there's no more free reward per day, which sucks, especially for new players who don't have the fuel nonsense for it.
(Couldn't they just make it so the first reward per MD in a day can be claimed for free?)

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Also, the ♥♥♥♥? Did I read that correctly...? Hard MDs don't offer rewards AT ALL once you beat em 3 times in the week? Seriously? I expected atleast non-weekly bonus rewards (what was it, 50xp without, 100 with?) to be a thing still.
(Edit: Hopefully I read that wrong, indeed...)

[Evarrice]

Originally posted by Nope:

Look like someone skipping details for some internet fame
again

Look! I'm genuinely just want to know answers.

Based on my experience as an F2P during this season, it is impossible to get the required amount of Lunacy to get the pity! The amount of Lunacy F2P get is just way too low!

[Nope]

Originally posted by Evarrice:

Originally posted by Nope:

Look like someone skipping details for some internet fame
again

Look! I'm genuinely just want to know answers.

Based on my experience as an F2P during this season, it is impossible to get the required amount of Lunacy to get the pity! The amount of Lunacy F2P get is just way too low!

That’s because you want to exclude Tickets pull that is gave out a lot