Question about On hit and Heads hit effects

[Kharza]

I understand how coin tosses and clashes work, but I´m kind of unsure of how the applied effects are decided. Let´s use N.Corp Rodion´s Devoted harmering skill for an example:
Devoted Hammering:
2 coins
1. On hit inflict 1 bleed
2. On hit inflict 1 bleed

So for this skill if she rolls 2 heads for both hits does it mean that she applies:
2 bleed - because the she hit the target twice (and both hits have the same effect)
or
4 bleed - because she applies 1 bleed based on the heads count and 2x2=4

Similarly the same Identity has the Ironclad Retribution skill.
Ironclad Retribution:
4 coins
3. Heads hit inflict 1 bleed
4. Heads hit inflict 2 bleed

Again we assume that she rolls the maximum of 4 heads for all the four hits, does it apply:
3 bleed - because she hit the target once with heads rolled on her third attack applying 1 bleed, then on the fourth attack 2 bleed
or
12 bleed - because 4 hits times (1+2) bleed, because with all of her attacks that have both 3. and 4. heads rolled you apply 1 and 2 bleed stacks respectively

I´ve already read some guides about the games basic mechanics, but none seemed to explain this mechanic, so I´m wondering how it really works. I think it´s one of the two scenarios that I wrote down, but I might be completely wrong.

[H11DN-D4NG3R]

On hit >when you hit the enemy
On heads>when the coin is light colored(Usually increases the skills power, and do special effects as stated)
On tails>when coin is dark colored(Usually gives no increase in skill power, for good or bad)

When a skill says "On head" only refers to its special ability of that specific coin. with will only trigger when the coin is "Head"
Unless You using E.G.O gifts the amount you see on the skill is the amount of "Stuff(this case bleed)" you apply

[Nope]

It's the former case in both as the attack coin effect is individually on the specified coin

[Kharza]

Originally posted by H11DN-D4NG3R:

On hit >when you hit the enemy
On heads>when the coin is light colored(Usually increases the skills power, and do special effects as stated)
On tails>when coin is dark colored(Usually gives no increase in skill power, for good or bad)

When a skill says "On head" only refers to its special ability of that specific coin. with will only trigger when the coin is "Head"
Unless You using E.G.O gifts the amount you see on the skill is the amount of "Stuff(this case bleed)" you apply

You mean that basically all of the effects can be applied only once? On hit only checks if the hits of the correspoing number (I,II,III,IV) connected, while heads hit needs both the corresponding attack and numbered coin to hit heads as well. (Basically meaning that heads hit is inferior to on hit in likelihood always)

What really confuses me about is the I,II,III,IV numbers before each line, do they mean that 1. attack, 2. attack, etc or 1. coin 2. coin etc.

[SmallGespenst]

Originally posted by Kharza:

Originally posted by H11DN-D4NG3R:

On hit >when you hit the enemy
On heads>when the coin is light colored(Usually increases the skills power, and do special effects as stated)
On tails>when coin is dark colored(Usually gives no increase in skill power, for good or bad)

When a skill says "On head" only refers to its special ability of that specific coin. with will only trigger when the coin is "Head"
Unless You using E.G.O gifts the amount you see on the skill is the amount of "Stuff(this case bleed)" you apply

You mean that basically all of the effects can be applied only once? On hit only checks if the hits of the correspoing number (I,II,III,IV) connected, while heads hit needs both the corresponding attack and numbered coin to hit heads as well. (Basically meaning that heads hit is inferior to on hit in likelihood always)

What really confuses me about is the I,II,III,IV numbers before each line, do they mean that 1. attack, 2. attack, etc or 1. coin 2. coin etc.

It's both, but if it helps to think about it, it's the attack, so a IV line applies to the fourth hit in the skill, and any heads-hit effects apply to that hit if the coin that's flipped for that attack lands heads.

[SmallGespenst]

Basically the way it works is that every coin in a skill is a hit; flip a coin, do a hit. Less coins due to losing clash hits means less hits, and, for example a two coin skill that has "re-use coins 1 and 2" will hit four times because each coin was flipped twice

[Narrator]

Originally posted by Kharza:

Originally posted by H11DN-D4NG3R:

On hit >when you hit the enemy
On heads>when the coin is light colored(Usually increases the skills power, and do special effects as stated)
On tails>when coin is dark colored(Usually gives no increase in skill power, for good or bad)

When a skill says "On head" only refers to its special ability of that specific coin. with will only trigger when the coin is "Head"
Unless You using E.G.O gifts the amount you see on the skill is the amount of "Stuff(this case bleed)" you apply

You mean that basically all of the effects can be applied only once? On hit only checks if the hits of the correspoing number (I,II,III,IV) connected, while heads hit needs both the corresponding attack and numbered coin to hit heads as well. (Basically meaning that heads hit is inferior to on hit in likelihood always)

What really confuses me about is the I,II,III,IV numbers before each line, do they mean that 1. attack, 2. attack, etc or 1. coin 2. coin etc.

I, II, III, IV means First coin, Second coin, etc. Usually, when you lose your coins in a clash, you lose them from the last to the first, but there are few exceptions to this rule.

[Kharza]

Thanks for the explanations, now I get it.

What caught me off guard is that clashes and attack have a different type of coin toss system. I think that wasn´t the case in ruina, but maybe I´m misremembering.

[Admod, the Equivocal]

Originally posted by H11DN-D4NG3R:

On hit >when you hit the enemy
On heads>when the coin is light colored(Usually increases the skills power, and do special effects as stated)
On tails>when coin is dark colored(Usually gives no increase in skill power, for good or bad)

When a skill says "On head" only refers to its special ability of that specific coin. with will only trigger when the coin is "Head"
Unless You using E.G.O gifts the amount you see on the skill is the amount of "Stuff(this case bleed)" you apply

I didn't understand what on head meant but I also didn't want to ask any questions about it. Well well well, lucky me. Look what I found in the discussion page. I didn't have to ask anything. I'm a genius.

[76561199131858533]

hit when you hit enemies.

head mean winning coin flip. get the head of the coins, not tails.