Hard Mode Guido

[Ekimmak]

... Seriously, how am I supposed to beat this? To start, they start off with one extra skill slot, so you're outnumbered. But everything they roll is in the A grade "Will beat your best standard skills if they keep rolling heads". And then Guido gives all his friends +10 SP. Before you even get to attack, so you're already rolling poorly, but it's EVERY TURN.
And before you can hope to have any good EGO resources or EGO gifts, because I have absolutely nothing.

Sincerely, what are you supposed to do when your team is mostly pierce or blunt weak?

[Minh]

Messaggio originale di DT:

Messaggio originale di Ekimmak:

I don't have my IDs maxed level, they hover around 30-34.

That seriously one of main reason.

Every 1 level = 1 atk level
Every 3 atk level = 1 clash power

Max all ID you plan to use on Hard mode. Grind luxacatrive if you don't have enough tickets.

There's also modifier but it's basically what you said.

[Angela]

I think you're too underprepared for it, if you cant clear it after trying everything then don't bother with hard mode for now
grind normal mode until you're lv35/have better clasing ids/uptie4 and have enough starlight to buy buffs for hardmode.

Messaggio originale di Ekimmak:

I don't have my IDs maxed level, they hover around 30-34. NFaust, Kuro Rodion, Kuro Ryoshu, Kuro Hong Lu, and Shi Ishmael.

Of those, only Hong Lu has Uptie 4, everyone else is Uptie 3.

Kuro Hong Lu doesn't like to be in same team with other Kuro ids because of his skill 2 wont proc if his target have too much bleed and Kuro Hong Lu only good because of skill 2, but overall Kuro Hong Lu is bad for clashing and only good for one side attack which is fine for abno battle but he will be destroyed in human battles on the hardmode.

If you have almost all id then this is what im running for today hardmode R Heathcliff, LCR Faust, W Ryoshu, W Don Quixote, W Hong Lu, Molar Ishmael, Zwei Gregor
replace Molar Ishmael with R Ishmael if you have her and Zwei Gregor with R Meursault.
Today I reach floor 5 and meet with Kromer aka one of the 3 doom bosses at floor 5 and i destroyed her.

If you want op 00 id get LCR Faust, shes very good at clashes with 26 rolls for skill 3 and can be proc at turn 1 and its the reason im using her as opposed to using W Faust.

[【Silver】]

Messaggio originale di Ekimmak:

I sadly didn't have any luck with gloom production. I had a lot of Pride, but no Gluttony to spam Representation Emitter.

It just feels wrong that there's this one in four chance of getting a near impossible fight, because their attacks are just so much higher than what you could reasonably respond to.

Standing out more because Guido starts with two skill slots, so he's blatantly stronger than the alternatives.

As everyone stated, if you're struggling doing Hard runs at Lv30, then level them up. That is the most direct way of bettering your odds against difficult clashes.

Something I'm not seeing people address here is that you're struggling with managing your resources. Are your starting compositions made with that in mind? The ID's you've listed have a single Skill 1 for Gloom production, do you have EGO's that coincide with the affinities your making use of? You have plenty of Pride & Lust amongst those ID's, along with decent Envy skills. Either of the Roseate Desire's perhaps?

Otherwise if you're unable overcome a clash, you simply need to figure out how best to mitigate damage and capitalize on staggers, or reconsider your starting team composition.

[A5G_Reaper]

You gotta drag out the regular fights so you can stock up on EGO resources and sanity. That's a fight won by AoE EGO, especially blunt. Juggle around your IDs so you can generate enough resources. Just Rime Shank + Fluid Sac should set up for turn 2 wipe on most of the lesser inquisitors. If you have enough resources to do it over again at turn 2 it's quite impossible to lose.

Also, if you have almost all the IDs idk why'd you run that comp. R heath and N sinc are so strong in hard mode.

[Ekimmak]

I have no excuse for R Heathcliff, but N Sinclair, I've been getting conflicting information on whether he's good or not. Maybe it's just me, but I find it nearly impossible to keep negative coin IDs at actually negative SP, they very quickly rocket to 45 SP with how enemies are high enough level to yield a lot of SP per kill.

I'm still trying to figure out what's a good team composition for me. I usually run LC Faust, but it feels like things get rough in the final stretch, where EGO are now struggling to keep up, and I don't have N Faust to measure up. But now it turns out N Faust isn't good at the early game, so it's just a mess.

[Dying ArchDevil]

You will want to maximum Nclair to Lv 35. At max level, ID will gain much less SP from killing enemies, since the higher lv your killed enemies compare to your IDs are, the more SP your IDs will gain. Also, only use Nclair to do unopposed atk is one way to maintain negative SP.

[jobhobster]

Messaggio originale di Ekimmak:

You know, I'm sure you think you're very clever and funny, but when this is my sixth time trying, where all the enemies are consistently breaking through any hope I have of victory because "Oh, yeah, I have this guaranteed perfect roll on a 20 power attack" keeps happening back to back.

You aren't.

I have beaten him floor 1 with 00 in MD2H. Granted, you will need most of starlight buffs (no first stagger threshold is very nice especially), and Fluid Sac (this E.G.O in generally is must have because it's the only truly good sustain E.G.O). What you want to do is go only one side, while defense/evade their attacks, if clash is not favorable, and gradually decrease his number of allies one by one, while not dying by using Fluid Sac. If you feel not that confident, you can bring at least one of top tier 000 ID's, and set them as starter, so they get 2 skills second turn.

[Ekimmak]

NClair is kind of in a double problem there, though?

If he clashes and wins, he gets SP. If he uses a guard skill to avoid clashing, it heals him on combat start, and he gets SP. I do have him at max level, but 35 is still far lower than the level 40 enemies you'll be dealing with.

[Minh]

Messaggio originale di Ekimmak:

I have no excuse for R Heathcliff, but N Sinclair, I've been getting conflicting information on whether he's good or not. Maybe it's just me, but I find it nearly impossible to keep negative coin IDs at actually negative SP, they very quickly rocket to 45 SP with how enemies are high enough level to yield a lot of SP per kill.

I'm still trying to figure out what's a good team composition for me. I usually run LC Faust, but it feels like things get rough in the final stretch, where EGO are now struggling to keep up, and I don't have N Faust to measure up. But now it turns out N Faust isn't good at the early game, so it's just a mess.

More good than bad. He can have 45 Sanity Points. Skills 2 Amoral Enactment last Coin Final Power is 12 - 16. Skills 3 Self-destructive Purge last Coin Final Power is 18 - 30. Hard to Lose Clash. I use these for high maximum Final Power.

Get Faust N CORP.ORATION Wing of the World Nagel und Hammer The One Who Grips & Hong Lu Kurokumo Clan Wakashu for next Floors.

[Minh]

Messaggio originale di Ekimmak:

NClair is kind of in a double problem there, though?

If he clashes and wins, he gets SP. If he uses a guard skill to avoid clashing, it heals him on combat start, and he gets SP. I do have him at max level, but 35 is still far lower than the level 40 enemies you'll be dealing with.

No. He can have 45 Sanity Points. Skill 2 Amoral Enactment & Skill 3 Self-destructive Purge last Coins are hard to Lose Clash.

[Angela]

Messaggio originale di Minh:

Messaggio originale di Ekimmak:

NClair is kind of in a double problem there, though?

If he clashes and wins, he gets SP. If he uses a guard skill to avoid clashing, it heals him on combat start, and he gets SP. I do have him at max level, but 35 is still far lower than the level 40 enemies you'll be dealing with.

No. He can have 45 Sanity Points. Skill 2 Amoral Enactment & Skill 3 Self-destructive Purge last Coins are hard to Lose Clash.

Aren't his skill 2 and 3 will loses 4 coins and 12 coins every times he rolls head thus he can end with 0 coin power for both skill? I dont have him (will love to try him cuz i hear hes very powerfull if done right but no way to getting him atm other than rng) but im pretty sure thats how it work so you absolutely don't want him to have 45 sanity.

[Minh]

Messaggio originale di Angola:

Messaggio originale di Minh:

No. He can have 45 Sanity Points. Skill 2 Amoral Enactment & Skill 3 Self-destructive Purge last Coins are hard to Lose Clash.

Aren't his skill 2 and 3 will loses 4 coins and 12 coins every times he rolls head thus he can end with 0 coin power for both skill? I dont have him (will love to try him cuz i hear hes very powerfull if done right but no way to getting him atm other than rng) but im pretty sure thats how it work so you absolutely don't want him to have 45 sanity.

Yes. They'll Lose Clash = losing Coins but fewer Coins = higher roll ranges so last Coins Win Clash easily.

[A5G_Reaper]

Messaggio originale di Ekimmak:

I have no excuse for R Heathcliff, but N Sinclair, I've been getting conflicting information on whether he's good or not. Maybe it's just me, but I find it nearly impossible to keep negative coin IDs at actually negative SP, they very quickly rocket to 45 SP with how enemies are high enough level to yield a lot of SP per kill.

I'm still trying to figure out what's a good team composition for me. I usually run LC Faust, but it feels like things get rough in the final stretch, where EGO are now struggling to keep up, and I don't have N Faust to measure up. But now it turns out N Faust isn't good at the early game, so it's just a mess.

Sinclair SP management is a bit luck-based because sometimes he just get slotted to clash in human fights, but it's still manageable. It'll only start to steadily climb at floor 4-5 when enemy levels gets high. Put him first slot so he get a second skill immediately, and when the battle is at cleanup phase everyone that starts faster than him use defensive skills so he can do a couple one-sided attack at the end of every battle and offload sanity that way.

Abno and boss fights are even easier because you can assign one-sided attacks on him.

Near the end, if he hits 45 sanity that only means you get to reliably use the base EGO's massive clash power. The coin effect means it'll keep him at 45, in which case you get to use it again, or drop him to 25 and you can start dipping back to negative with the regular skills.

I like to start with N Faust, N Sinc, R Heath, and Shi Don+Mael, in that order at first. Push Faust down to 4th slot once everyone beside Sinclair hits 45 sanity. A bit short on gloom but it should afford one use of fluid sac by the boss fight. Honestly the only time a battle feels impossible is squaring up against Guido without enough sanity built up, otherwise it's all beatable. None of the floor 5 boss feels impossible.

Floor 2, depends on what's available. Skill upgrade, Faust take the cheap option, Heath the middle option, Sinclair the expensive option. Don, depend on fundings, Ishmael, skip upgrade. Get any good EGO gifts. If there's leftover, grab Tingtang Hong Lu. If not, any 00 will do. In general this floor is easy, just make sure Sinclair doesn't corrode because he WILL murder whoever he decided to whack (catastrophic with lifetime stew).

Floor 3, replace Ishmael with Reindeer and/or Don with W-corp unless someone needs healing. Ishmael dont generally need skill upgrade unless there's a gift that help charge generation, in which case another mind whip is nice. Don like having extra leap.

Floor 4, take W Ryoshu. When it comes to skill upgrade, either extra leap or extra DDEDR are nice depending on situation. At this point the team is complete. Focus on getting charge gifts, but it doesn't really matter if there's none. The team is well-rounded and strong.

Battle order, Sinclair - Don - Ryoshu - Heath - Ishmael - Hong Lu - Faust. Change accordingly depending on who gets skill upgrade.

Sinclair skill clash 8/16/30, 29 with base EGO, and either impending day to tank the bull (just in case) or lifetime stew for team healing and SP reduction.

Don skill clash 13/19/31, 29 with telepole corrosion that also refill everyone's charges.

Ryoshu skill clash 9/23/31, 28 base EGO, 37(!) 4th match flame.

Heath skill clash 10/16/23, with a +1 passive, and 29 AEDD with AoE paralysis.

Ishmael skill clash 14/18/26, with potential + from passive, and another +2 from base EGO passive.

Hong Lu skill clash 11/18/30, 28 AoE with roseate desire.

Faust is a weak link at the latter stage, only clashing for 10/16/12, but she have fluid sac which is broken enough to compensate. Plus the passive to keep the clashers' sanity up throughout.

Basically it's a team that clash hard and deals a lot of damage, as long as charges are properly managed. Managed to 4-turn kill the brazen bull once, it wasn't even difficult. Just gotta make sure Faust/Sinclair/Ishmael (especially Faust) aren't instakilled by the rosespanner or robots with multiple hard-hitting slash, and Don/Ryoshu/Hong Lu/Heath aren't instakilled by talisman ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

[Ekimmak]

W Ryoshu got really popular really quickly, huh?
I did pull her first try when her banner dropped, but I missed almost a week of luxcavation, so I can't T3 uptie her yet.

I'll give this team build a shot.

[Zilloy]

Messaggio originale di Minh:

Messaggio originale di Ekimmak:

I do have almost all IDs by this point. I only lack Blade Sinclair and Cinq Quixote.
But you can only bring 3 000 ID at the start of a hard mirror dungeon run, so you have to bring at least two 00 ID to a run. And I'm still trying to figure out how to properly run a hard dungeon when guides are somewhat lackluster.

You've best stuff but you don't use them.

Use these Identities & they must be Level 35 & Uptie Current Tier III:

Shi Association - S.outhern Branch, Sec.tion 5 Director Don Quixote,

Kurokumo Clan Wakashu Ryōshū,

Replication Corp.oration Wing of the World 4th Fourth Rabbit Team Member Heathcliff,

Shi Association - S.outhern Branch, Sec.tion 5 Fixer Ishmael,

& N Corp.oration Wing of the World Nagel und Hammer The One Who Shall Grip Emil Sinclair.

Minh, have you tried using abbreviations, like ever?