Problems with Ideality

[Hastori W.]

Have you ever thought about Ideality,that which feature promises gurantee 3* identity?
I did,and a lot. From f2p standpoint (I'm f2p myself) it sounds like a great feature allowing the player to get their favorite identity for 200 ideality (or pulls if you prefer),problem is that it takes really long time to accumulate required lunacy for it. (Poor english punctuation alert)
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26000 lunacy sounds a lot,like a REALLY HUGE amount. A single month has 4 weeks, 4 weeks equals 4 resets of mirror dungeon weekly bonus. A single X season banner lasts around 2 weeks. Mothly we get 2 X season banners.
Week worth of mirror dungeon runs gives you abruptly 750. 750 lunacy per week,that's crazy! 750 times 4 equals 3000,wow! It takes rougly 9 months to get 200 pulls worth of lunacy for an average tryhard f2p to get their 3* ideality without spending a single dosh nor shards.
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PM should lower ideality threshold from 200 to 100 for the gurantee 3* idenity,it's too overwheling for an average f2p joe to accumulate 200 pulls worth of lunacy within span of 9 months. Add the factor fear of missing out here.
In conclusion,don't bother saving lunacy for that 200 ideality 3* identity (nobody forcing you to listen). Just go all in or buy the identity for 400 shards. Seriously the ideality is just leaning towards our beloved gacha whales <3
(Unnecessary rant: God freaking darn it PM,why I can't just buy N. Corp. Lclair from despense tab while I can buy S1 battlepass exclusive E.G.O???)

[viro94]

I see Ideality as just extra Thread TBH. If you super want an ID you are better off just farming shard boxes for it

[【Silver】]

Originally posted by Geoluread:

Originally posted by CarThief:

Well, there's two viewpoints you can use for the Ideality system:

1. It solely exists to ensure whales get their IDs after 200 pulls, which is statistically nigh-impossible already (ussually it's closer to 20-70 pulls to get it). At which point it's laugable to even call it a "pity" system.

2. It really, really, REALLY sucks as a pity system, and indeed needs a reduction in requirement. Even 100 would never trigger with the current dropratio being 20-70 pulls, however, but it should've been the minimum, definitely not 200.

I know it also gives Thread but meh, +20 to +70 Thread per 2 weeks isn't much to talk about. Not even enough for one E.G.O/Identity. (Heck, I'd sooner consider this a Lunacy>Thread converter then a actual """pity""" system.)

I'd say it should be more like 60-70, that'd be a good mark to trigger pity on. Still expensive as hell but far more likely to occur statistically. (Or be generous and put it at 50.)
(Speaking of pulls, they really need to make single-pulls give pity rewards every 10th single-pull too, Jesus Christ. It's worthless.)

You're right that 20-70 is more typical, but it's definitely not impossible to go over. The chance to pull any 000 is 2.9%, so chance to pull the banner ID is 2.9/2 = 1.45% (pulling it normally is negligible here). So the chance not to pull is 100-1.45 = 98.55%. The chance of failing this 200 times in a row is 0.9855^200 = 5.39%, or about 1/19.

So yes, 19 is a big number, but there are also more than 19 people playing this game. Even a max sanity character can roll tails, sometimes even twice in a row.

Hi, I am this person. I've thrown about 120 pulls at the Rosespanner banner and still have yet to get Rodion's ID from it. In fact I've pulled only a single ID above 00 value and it was G Corp Greg. My roll at chance often tends to be notorious as well, so I much appreciate mitigation to lessen it's impact to gameplay and such.

The Pity system is, as said by others, more for players like me who are ok with throwing a bit of money or saving up lunacy for pulling on a specific banner incase, lord forbid, we never pull the desired item from it. 100 pulls on a banner is netting you at minimum 300 shards, 420 if you're doing 10x pulls. That's not only a large amount of thread, it makes simply dispensing a desired item out of the dispenser that much closer. You're taking a risk any time you're throwing lunacy at a banner for pulls unless you plan on throwing at least 200's worth at it, much like one would advise in approaching the stock market; Don't throw in what you're not ready to lose. The safety net is only there to prevent the unfathomably unlucky or addiction afflicted players from pitting themselves too heavily into distraught at their luck found results.

[Minh]

No. It's there for unlucky rich people. Keep it 200 'Yi Sang' [Ideality] so they pay more. There's no fear of missing out. Stuff's gone for a bit.

[Minh]

Originally posted by CarThief:

Well, there's two viewpoints you can use for the Ideality system:

1. It solely exists to ensure whales get their IDs after 200 pulls, which is statistically nigh-impossible already (ussually it's closer to 20-70 pulls to get it). At which point it's laugable to even call it a "pity" system.

2. It really, really, REALLY sucks as a pity system, and indeed needs a reduction in requirement. Even 100 would never trigger with the current dropratio being 20-70 pulls, however, but it should've been the minimum, definitely not 200.

I know it also gives Thread but meh, +20 to +70 Thread per 2 weeks isn't much to talk about. Not even enough for one E.G.O/Identity. (Heck, I'd sooner consider this a Lunacy>Thread converter then a actual """pity""" system.)

I'd say it should be more like 60-70, that'd be a good mark to trigger pity on. Still expensive as hell but far more likely to occur statistically. (Or be generous and put it at 50.)
(Speaking of pulls, they really need to make single-pulls give pity rewards every 10th single-pull too, Jesus Christ. It's worthless.)

Still possible because there're many people. No. Keep it 200 'Yi Sang' [Ideality] so they pay more.

[Kalder (Totally a Hobb)]

The thing is, LC doesn't have nearly as many reasons to pull as other gachas, you can farm many of the units and gacha feels more like a pay to skip grind (if you are a min-maxer)

At first sight, it wouldn't suck so much if you could generate Lunacy at the same rate other gachas generate their currency, I use Blue Archive a lot since it is the only other gacha I play with the same frequency, but weekly you can get 20*7 from daily quest completion + 120 weekly + 100 for logging 10 days (not in a row) + whatever you get from PvP (1rst time reaching x rank + highest rank reached every season I think up to 8k) + up to 1200 every other week depending on your ranking in Total Assault AND/OR (all of the following together) [40 for completing event stages for the first time (resets in re-runs) + event achievements + Special challenge stages from events] + other things like mini events and, first time completions, achievements and so. In BA at worst I can go 100 pulls before cutting my losses and moving on, 200 if the unit is really Meta or I really like it thematically/design wise (new Labour Party gremlin comes in mind).

But then again, I think Limbus has less reasons to pull for units than other gachas because of the rates and because at the moment there's less stuff to pull for, I did roll on every banner atleast once and towards the end my last four 10 pulls gave me a bunch of EGO, enabling me to finish the store with my remaining 700 boxes, honestly my main reason to spend lunacy atm is energy reset to do a buttload of excavations to tier 3 and max level everything, unless I roll terribly in the upcoming banners.

[Snecchi]

Ideality exists for freak accidents, shards exist for actually getting the characters you want. Its best to think of Ideality as free extra thread. I've sharded 7 identities after not getting them in 40 pulls and I've pulled the rest of the ID's/EGO, thus allowing me to save a crap ton of Lunacy. I'm pretty sure shards are one of if not the most generous mechanics in a gacha. Heck, if I don't get sunshower Heath in 40 pulls I'm gonna shard him too, bringing me up to 8 sharded ID's.

[Qwanto]

Just count it as free extra thread