Problems with Ideality

[Hastori W.]

Have you ever thought about Ideality,that which feature promises gurantee 3* identity?
I did,and a lot. From f2p standpoint (I'm f2p myself) it sounds like a great feature allowing the player to get their favorite identity for 200 ideality (or pulls if you prefer),problem is that it takes really long time to accumulate required lunacy for it. (Poor english punctuation alert)
-------------------------------Calculation---------------------------------
26000 lunacy sounds a lot,like a REALLY HUGE amount. A single month has 4 weeks, 4 weeks equals 4 resets of mirror dungeon weekly bonus. A single X season banner lasts around 2 weeks. Mothly we get 2 X season banners.
Week worth of mirror dungeon runs gives you abruptly 750. 750 lunacy per week,that's crazy! 750 times 4 equals 3000,wow! It takes rougly 9 months to get 200 pulls worth of lunacy for an average tryhard f2p to get their 3* ideality without spending a single dosh nor shards.
-------------------------------Conclusion---------------------------------
PM should lower ideality threshold from 200 to 100 for the gurantee 3* idenity,it's too overwheling for an average f2p joe to accumulate 200 pulls worth of lunacy within span of 9 months. Add the factor fear of missing out here.
In conclusion,don't bother saving lunacy for that 200 ideality 3* identity (nobody forcing you to listen). Just go all in or buy the identity for 400 shards. Seriously the ideality is just leaning towards our beloved gacha whales <3
(Unnecessary rant: God freaking darn it PM,why I can't just buy N. Corp. Lclair from despense tab while I can buy S1 battlepass exclusive E.G.O???)

[Nope]

About your rant, they already announced like few month ago that
1. Season Event ID/E.G.O will skip 1 Season before they come back
2. Season ID/E.G.O will skip dispenser for 1 Season before they come back
3. Battle Pass E.G.O will available in Dispenser after the Season end
so what FOMO?

About the Pity
It sound huge but here the problem with it, it never about guarantee drop for every banner, it’s about saving for stuff that you really want but you have ♥♥♥♥ luck
Worst than that, nearly all gacha game does not have the ability of grind the gacha stuff (day 1) like us

About Hard Dungeon
you miscalculated, Hard mode does not have separate Lunacy bonus like weekly, rather it’s the limit of reward you can take from Hard Dungeon which is the 50 BP EXP. It also missing pull ticket too

[Hastori W.]

Originally posted by Nope:

About your rant, they already announced like few month ago that
1. Season Event ID/E.G.O will skip 1 Season before they come back
2. Season ID/E.G.O will skip dispenser for 1 Season before they come back
3. Battle Pass E.G.O will available in Dispenser after the Season end
so what FOMO?

About the Pity
It sound huge but here the problem with it, it never about guarantee drop for every banner, it’s about saving for stuff that you really want but you have ♥♥♥♥ luck
Worst than that, nearly all gacha game does not have the ability of grind the gacha stuff (day 1) like us

About Hard Dungeon
you miscalculated, Hard mode does not have separate Lunacy bonus like weekly, rather it’s the limit of reward you can take from Hard Dungeon which is the 50 BP EXP. It also missing pull ticket too

Yeah thanks for the notes. However I've got both ID and E.G.O from Hell's chicken either way,I've got way too big of a abysmal luck during N. Corp. Sinclair banner after getting previous 3* ID's and that's it. I'm gonna distort while waiting for those 4 months just to get full collection of S1 ID's

[SmallGespenst]

You're missing the point, It's a Pity system. The purpose of Pity systems is not to help players get the content they want, the purpose of a Pity system is to introduce a layer of sunk-cost pushing people to spend to make the 200 so the amount of Pity they've built up isn't wasted.
Ironically the actual weakness in the system is that you'll probably have gotten everything from the banner even before 100, and since there's no incentive for pulling dupes like most gatchas have, there's little reason even for whales to push for the 200 needed.

[gigastar]

Originally posted by SmallGespenst:

You're missing the point, It's a Pity system. The purpose of Pity systems is not to help players get the content they want, the purpose of a Pity system is to introduce a layer of sunk-cost pushing people to spend to make the 200 so the amount of Pity they've built up isn't wasted.
Ironically the actual weakness in the system is that you'll probably have gotten everything from the banner even before 100, and since there's no incentive for pulling dupes like most gatchas have, there's little reason even for whales to push for the 200 needed.

while its a bit pointless on new target extraction banners the ideality system will appreciate over time for new players who pull on sinner target banners

[Bishop]

Its worth noting that right now we have relatively simple banners with one 3 star and one 2 star id and 50/50 chance for both. Make it more complex (more than one 3 star, some egos as a bonus) and you are looking at significantly lower chances to get everything.

200 pulls is still a lot but as mentioned above, new player can just keep pulling on target banner 200 times getting lot of stuff in the process, then spending 200 pity resources to get final piece for free. And in the worst case scenario you get some free thread.

[hellatze]

this game being gacha is not ideal anyway

[Ballistic Groove Gun]

And people who never gather enough ideality for the guaranteed pull, whether due to lack of funds, lack of care, or lack of lack of luck, will still get free thread at the end of the period where there was no free thread before.
That's probably something, right?

[SpearOfLies]

The ideality was never a feature for free2p. By the time you earn enough lunacy for 200 pulls, you will earn enough yellow boxes to shard the ID you want assumeing you do daily and md on a reasonable pace. That is a feature 100% for whales that doesn't want to grind.

[DT]

Ideality is not for f2p but also not for normal whale too. It not a pity sysytem, Real gacha pity system thing is still shards.

Ideality exist only for truly unlucky whale with big purse because as other not so unlucky likely already got banner ID before it reach 200 pull.

It act as heart claiming pill prevent unlucky whale rage & quit from spend big purchase but still not get what he want. Allow those rage unlucky whale to keep continue play this game (continue spend money).

Be grateful that you got Free extra threads from unused Ideality. That the main focus of most people because only extreme unlucky dude pull 200 from same banner.

[Geoluread]

The odds of getting the target 000 in a 10 pull is a little higher than 1/8, so you would it expect to get it after 8 tries, right? In most cases yes, but approximately 1/20 times you will do 20 10 pulls and still have not gotten it. Imagine sinking 26000 lunacy and having virtually nothing to show for it. That's why ideality exists.

[hellatze]

Originally posted by DT:

Ideality is not for just f2p but normal whale too. Real gacha pity system thing is still shards.

ItIdeality exist only for truly unlucky whale with big purse because as other mention that you likely already got banner ID before doe with 200 pull.

Be grateful that you got Free extra threads from unused Ideality. That the main focus of most people because only extreme unlucky dude pull 200 from same banner.

you got lightbulb from expired ideality ?

[DT]

Originally posted by hellatze:

you got lightbulb from expired ideality ?

Yes.

[CarThief]

Well, there's two viewpoints you can use for the Ideality system:

1. It solely exists to ensure whales get their IDs after 200 pulls, which is statistically nigh-impossible already (ussually it's closer to 20-70 pulls to get it). At which point it's laugable to even call it a "pity" system.

2. It really, really, REALLY sucks as a pity system, and indeed needs a reduction in requirement. Even 100 would never trigger with the current dropratio being 20-70 pulls, however, but it should've been the minimum, definitely not 200.

I know it also gives Thread but meh, +20 to +70 Thread per 2 weeks isn't much to talk about. Not even enough for one E.G.O/Identity. (Heck, I'd sooner consider this a Lunacy>Thread converter then a actual """pity""" system.)

I'd say it should be more like 60-70, that'd be a good mark to trigger pity on. Still expensive as hell but far more likely to occur statistically. (Or be generous and put it at 50.)
(Speaking of pulls, they really need to make single-pulls give pity rewards every 10th single-pull too, Jesus Christ. It's worthless.)

[Dominic]

i dont understand the complaints about them adding the pity system... we already have shard ptiy system and its not like that was removed in favour of this pity system so in terms of f2p its literally no different then s1 aside from you having the option to just save 200 pulls instead of pulling on every banner (which tbh you should be saving as a f2p until near end of season or till an id you really want comes out since there is a higher % to actually hit an id you dont own if you wait till later in the season)

but like i said this system was just another pity system added without the removal of everything and its not going to be the "main" pity people use. people still gonna just shard characters far more often then theyd use the pity cuz shards are so easy to accumulate.

complaining about this new pity system is kinda like complaining about complementary free water a tour provides because they dont serve juice/pop.

[Geoluread]

Originally posted by CarThief:

Well, there's two viewpoints you can use for the Ideality system:

1. It solely exists to ensure whales get their IDs after 200 pulls, which is statistically nigh-impossible already (ussually it's closer to 20-70 pulls to get it). At which point it's laugable to even call it a "pity" system.

2. It really, really, REALLY sucks as a pity system, and indeed needs a reduction in requirement. Even 100 would never trigger with the current dropratio being 20-70 pulls, however, but it should've been the minimum, definitely not 200.

I know it also gives Thread but meh, +20 to +70 Thread per 2 weeks isn't much to talk about. Not even enough for one E.G.O/Identity. (Heck, I'd sooner consider this a Lunacy>Thread converter then a actual """pity""" system.)

I'd say it should be more like 60-70, that'd be a good mark to trigger pity on. Still expensive as hell but far more likely to occur statistically. (Or be generous and put it at 50.)
(Speaking of pulls, they really need to make single-pulls give pity rewards every 10th single-pull too, Jesus Christ. It's worthless.)

You're right that 20-70 is more typical, but it's definitely not impossible to go over. The chance to pull any 000 is 2.9%, so chance to pull the banner ID is 2.9/2 = 1.45% (pulling it normally is negligible here). So the chance not to pull is 100-1.45 = 98.55%. The chance of failing this 200 times in a row is 0.9855^200 = 5.39%, or about 1/19.

So yes, 19 is a big number, but there are also more than 19 people playing this game. Even a max sanity character can roll tails, sometimes even twice in a row.