help for spicebush dongbaek (4-48)

[Kuresutao]

im very new to the game, so I don't have full understanding of stuff nor a wide variety of identities. im stuck at this damned battle but I've been unable to follow a guide that I can understand clearly. I have the following identities: zwei association faust (lv 32, uptie 3), seven association ryoshu (lv 32, uptie 3), W corp hong lu (lv 35, uptie 3), N corp heathcliff (lv 35, uptie 3), shi association ishmael (lv 18, uptie 1), the one who shall grip sinclair (lv 35, uptie 3), zwei association gregor (lv 35, uptie 4). the following I have not upgraded once: shi association heathcliff, zwei association sinclair, mariachi sinclair, lobotomy ego sinclair (yes this dude loves me). I also have some EGO: telepole (faust, uptie 1), red eyes open (ryoshu, uptie 1), dimension shredder (hong lu, uptie 1) and lantern (gregor, uptie 2). any tips? I know that I have to avoid blooming stacks and freeing the identities that get stuck in the flowers, but no other general strategies and specific formations. thank you in advance, I liked this game and want to continue going forward (and, if this is your question: I do have skill issue, im sorry)

[Kuresutao]

update: I got kurokumo clan hong lu and blade lineage sinclair (im starting to go insane with all these sinclairs)

[A5G_Reaper]

You're missing the most important tips: Do Not lose any clash. You're better off betting on a defensive skill than risk a neutral clash, eat a few bloom if you have to. I'm pretty sure she's the first boss with sanity, so it's something different than before.

At 0 sanity, coins have 50-50% chance of rolling head/tail. Each positive sanity adds 1% chance for head and subtract 1% chance for tail, and the reverse is true. You dont have sinking ID so you cant really lower her sanity, and thus it's imperative to keep it at 0 for as long as you can. Then you have much better chance to keep on winning clashes.

That aside, you seems to have understand the rest of the mechanic. Kill the flowers ASAP, save a big EGO for her big AoE, use someone that have powerful skill and also available EGO for the duel, that's it.

[Sailor Paladin]

Yeah, everyone has problems with that fight, for some reason.
Well... in terms of general tips:
1) Keep in mind that N-clair works different from everyone else in your team (meaning - he clashes and deals damage better if his sanity is low, as opposed to everyone else, who wants high sanity. Can be somewhat easily lowered by using E.G.O.s)

2) You really NEED to win clashes against AoE.
E.G.O.s are good for that, so manage your resources to get them on ready ASAP.
On turn one, though...
Your team is very tanky, but nobody who can actually clash very well, except for 7 Ryoshu, who can be an absolute clash monster on high sanity.
Try getting her to lvl 35 (she's almost there, which is why I'm suggesting it. Shi Ish can also clash somewhat well, but ... not on lvl 18). Might make a difference, seriously.

3) If there is no way you can win a clash against a non-AoE attack - you can still redirect it, provided you have enough speed. Meaning - if it targets someone with 4 stacks, and you REALLY don't want them to get the fifth - just use someone with higher speed (and fewer stacks) to clash against that attack.
They'll lose the clash and take damage (might be a vise decision to use a defensive skill to take less damage), but the person on the verge of being turned into a bush will be able to act next turn.

... you also redirect an AoE attack, of course, but... it's an AoE attack. It might still hit its initial target.

4) Faust's base E.G.O. restores sanity for the whole team (which is good for everyone, EXCEPT N-Clair), except Faust herself (I believe) which can be used to counteract this particular boss (as she lowers sanity through her blooming stacks)

5) Might actually be a somewhat good idea to deliberately get hit (to an extent) an N-clair. Because then you'll get blooming stacks. Which will lower sanity. Which is good for him (taking damage isn't good for anyone, however, so good management is key)

[A5G_Reaper]

As for your IDs:
-Faust isn't great, dont invest too much. Grip version is best so far, lobotomy corp (and W corp if you run charge team) are decent.
-Ryoshu is good, but any of the 000 (especially the new W corp) are insane.
-Hong Lu is alright. W corp is better at clashing by quite a bit, kurokumo deals more damage. Ting Tang leader and K corp are still the best overall.
-N heath is meh unless you run full Ncorp team. Shi is quite bad, only barely usable at below 50% HP. If you're saving shard boxes, dispense the Rabbit version. One of the best ID in the game so far.
-Shi Ishmael is good. Decent normally, an absolute beast below 50% HP. Outclassed by Liu version, which is then outclassed by Reindeer, but she's a solid 00 regardless.
-Grip Sinc is the best of the lot.
-Zwei greg is solid tank. Best gregor ID so far. Just dont expect too much damage from him. Is Legerdemain EGO available yet? It's pretty nice to build around.

Others:
-Spicebrush Yi Sang is solid pick.
-W corp Don Q is powerful. Dispense ASAP.
-Meursault, ignore him. IDs are bad, his only use is if you have Pursuance EGO.
-Rodya, N corp are alright if you're running full nailers. Rosespanner deals a lot of damage, but clash is on the weaker side.
-Outis is... meh. G corp and Seven both clash alright, but the best part of her is the Ebony Stem EGO.

[Evarrice]

It's kinda funny how some people are mocking others for finding Dongbaek difficult not realizing what's easy for them may be hard for others.

[Mithridate]

You can always get a support ID from a different player to bolster your team if necessary, most 000 with full uptie and max level will do pretty well in the spicebush fight. There should be a topic with friend codes that you could check out if that is what you want to do.

[Kuresutao]

thanks for the tips everyone! I hope I pass this without much stress

[76561199131858533]

1. destroy her plant that spawn is top priority because it can take hostage your team by debuff.
2. so how to destroy those spice bush plant ? weaker skill 1 clash the plants, strong skills clash all dongbaek attack.
3. like other people said borrow strong id from friends.
4. when duel mode clash her with E.G.O to make it easier if you cannot win clash..

she is very easy or extremely easy when her plant stop spawning when you destroy them all.

[1162706830]

This battle sucks for she drains your SP drastically. Once you lose a clash, you get bloomed and her SP increases, so you lose even more. And sinners become a flower once the bloom count reaches 5.

So, don't lose. Pick some strong clash ID or try evade skills. Kill flower for a large SP boost (+10 for one and +5 for full team)

[Minh]

Originally posted by 1162706830:

This battle sucks for she drains your SP drastically. Once you lose a clash, you get bloomed and her SP increases, so you lose even more. And sinners become a flower once the bloom count reaches 5.

So, don't lose. Pick some strong clash ID or try evade skills. Kill flower for a large SP boost (+10 for one and +5 for full team)

It works if their LEVELs're equal / higher.

[76561199131858533]

ehem ehem borrow N Corp sinclair

Originally posted by 1162706830:

This battle sucks for she drains your SP drastically. Once you lose a clash, you get bloomed and her SP increases, so you lose even more. And sinners become a flower once the bloom count reaches 5.

So, don't lose. Pick some strong clash ID or try evade skills. Kill flower for a large SP boost (+10 for one and +5 for full team)

ehem ehem borrow N Corp sinclair or L Corp Heatcliff.

[Snecchi]

I hope you succeed! Ignore the silly people that say skill issue, I'm quite ashamed of that part of the fandom. Project Moon games often have very steep difficulty curves so its ok to struggle. Donbaek fight can be pretty hard since she has decently high clash power and can cause sanity to swing very hard (either hers or yours) which can make things go out of control. Your team seems pretty good but if you want another powerful ID you can borrow a friend's ID using the support tab. Best of luck~

[spookywood]

I personally recommend borrowing a friend ID to get some decent clash in. You have some options: N Corp Faust only have decent-ish clashes in this situation but her main value here is her passive which is great for this stage as it recover sp and apply fanatic to your grip sinclair. But more importantly, Fluid Sac. While it can be counter intuitive toward your grip sinclair, a full squad hp and sp heal can not be understated. Pick her you want to play it safe.

On the other hand, if you looking for a high risk, high reward setup then W Don with Telepole is amazing for this fight. Great damage and clashes, can easily to duel Dongbaek with skill 2 alone. And if you have good resource management, you can use Telepole constantly to ensure that rip space will have 100% uptime. Do it right and you can end the fight in 10-12 turn.

[Moyai]

Originally posted by Kuresutao:

im very new to the game, so I don't have full understanding of stuff nor a wide variety of identities. im stuck at this damned battle but I've been unable to follow a guide that I can understand clearly. I have the following identities: zwei association faust (lv 32, uptie 3), seven association ryoshu (lv 32, uptie 3), W corp hong lu (lv 35, uptie 3), N corp heathcliff (lv 35, uptie 3), shi association ishmael (lv 18, uptie 1), the one who shall grip sinclair (lv 35, uptie 3), zwei association gregor (lv 35, uptie 4). the following I have not upgraded once: shi association heathcliff, zwei association sinclair, mariachi sinclair, lobotomy ego sinclair (yes this dude loves me). I also have some EGO: telepole (faust, uptie 1), red eyes open (ryoshu, uptie 1), dimension shredder (hong lu, uptie 1) and lantern (gregor, uptie 2). any tips? I know that I have to avoid blooming stacks and freeing the identities that get stuck in the flowers, but no other general strategies and specific formations. thank you in advance, I liked this game and want to continue going forward (and, if this is your question: I do have skill issue, im sorry)

Shi Association Ishmael is easily the weakest part of the team here, losing at least 5 clash power from being severely underleveled and another 1 skill power from not having uptie 3 (in addition to losing the whole reason skill 2 is great). With how much power is lost without these upgrades, bringing that identity is entirely useless. Replace it with another identity or remove it completely, then try again (you should get the 7th action slot on turn 2 if you only use 6 sinners).