looks like we cant beat HE class full power (some spiler)

[hellatze]

kromer always insta kill our sinner and she is HE class, no matter how many damage we does. that Dongrang is Teth, looks like full power and very tanky. so is dongbaek.

what bothers me that Sunyata tad rupam (my empties) from railways is too easy to fight with. so railway still have deterrence with it ?

[Sergalius]

Canonically we are using Mirrow words id now. They can be stronger and in our world( City) and in their own. thats why we would have tier 4+. Power level is not about their strenght. it is about amount of energy , it can produce. Rabbits can easily take 2 aleph without problems, just need a lot of ammo and proper gear for it. You can beat everything, you need tools for the job and people to withstand mental contamination.

[A Wispy Willy]

Originally posted by Sergalius:

Canonically we are using Mirrow words id now. They can be stronger and in our world( City) and in their own. thats why we would have tier 4+. Power level is not about their strenght. it is about amount of energy , it can produce. Rabbits can easily take 2 aleph without problems, just need a lot of ammo and proper gear for it. You can beat everything, you need tools for the job and people to withstand mental contamination.

Rabbits can murder Alephs strictly through numbers. They're actually weaker than mid-late game agents.

[hellatze]

Originally posted by A Wispy Willy:

Originally posted by Sergalius:

Canonically we are using Mirrow words id now. They can be stronger and in our world( City) and in their own. thats why we would have tier 4+. Power level is not about their strenght. it is about amount of energy , it can produce. Rabbits can easily take 2 aleph without problems, just need a lot of ammo and proper gear for it. You can beat everything, you need tools for the job and people to withstand mental contamination.

Rabbits can murder Alephs strictly through numbers. They're actually weaker than mid-late game agents.

that because qlipoth deterrence. alpeh no qlipoth are dangerous

[Minh]

We should defeat her. She defeats us because plot armor. I think PROJECT MOON's inconsistent about Risk LEVELs sometimes. No.

[Sergalius]

Originally posted by hellatze:

Originally posted by A Wispy Willy:

Rabbits can murder Alephs strictly through numbers. They're actually weaker than mid-late game agents.

that because qlipoth deterrence. alpeh no qlipoth are dangerous

they are killing monsters in outskirts

[Terratrox]

Originally posted by Sergalius:

Originally posted by hellatze:

that because qlipoth deterrence. alpeh no qlipoth are dangerous

they are killing monsters in outskirts

Alephs without QD are capable of beating Colors in a fair fight. Rabbits can beat monsters in the Outskirts through sheer numbers, but that's like saying a trillion tigers could beat the entire US military. It's true but only because of the numbers advantage. It says almost nothing about the strength of individual tigers.

[Nut]

Originally posted by Sergalius:

Originally posted by hellatze:

that because qlipoth deterrence. alpeh no qlipoth are dangerous

they are killing monsters in outskirts

Is it confirmed they're killing monsters with the strength of un-QD'd ALEPHs in the outskirts or just that they're killing monsters? I mean, the sinners have been beating abnormalities, but there's a difference between a ZAYIN and HE, or a HE and ALEPH level abno.

[Nyxtus]

Alephs are damn near world-ending events without the deterrence. The Pianist alone was only a WAW and if you played Ruina you know the damage it caused. The ALEPHS from lobotomy, without deterrence, would be incomprehensibly dangerous.

Until we get confirmation rabbits can handle ALEPH without the deterrence I ain't believing it. We're not operating on Lobotomy rules anymore.

[Terratrox]

Originally posted by Nyxtus:

Alephs are damn near world-ending events without the deterrence. The Pianist alone was only a WAW and if you played Ruina you know the damage it caused. The ALEPHS from lobotomy, without deterrence, would be incomprehensibly dangerous.

Until we get confirmation rabbits can handle ALEPH without the deterrence I ain't believing it. We're not operating on Lobotomy rules anymore.

This.

The Pianist killed over 120k people, including a Color btw. She was weakened due to... reasons, but it took a full power Black Silence to kill the Pianist. And the Pianist wasn't TRYING to kill everyone. It mostly hung out in its spot.

Also of note, R Corp was being massively empowered through its deal with Lobotomy Corporation, because Lob Corp's enkephlin production and the deal it made with R Corp was absolutely insane. It was using insane amounts of power to churn out empowered supersoldiers en masse.

[Nope]

Originally posted by Terratrox:

This.

The Pianist killed over 120k people, including a Color btw. She was weakened due to... reasons, but it took a full power Black Silence to kill the Pianist. And the Pianist wasn't TRYING to kill everyone. It mostly hung out in its spot.

300k dead and Black Silence have advantages over Pianist thank to the Gloves

[CarThief]

As far as the railway goes, it's entirely possible we ended up facing a easier version of it, in a world where the HE class is not as tough to deal with without deterrence. Or the railway was acting as deterrence somehow, hard to say which.

Though probably fair to say an Aleph fully undeterred would be about as powerful as the average Colour, yeah. And the Waw-tier ones aren't too far off either. So a HE in it's purest form would also be a real problem to try and take out.

Feels like at best we've got Sinners who're able to deal with Zayin through notable effort, and Teth on a really, really good day (and a lot of extra firepower, bringing 7/12 people).
Unless they embrace E.G.O or go up like 5+ fixer classes, they won't be winning against Aleph's anytime soon though.

Hm, I recall that they provided the Rabbits with special ammo in Lobotomy for dealing with Abnormalities more effeciently? Though if that really makes a notable difference in the end, who knows. If i rememeber right, when they talk about refreshing the contract and stuff.

[Sphericalicious]

Originally posted by CarThief:

Feels like at best we've got Sinners who're able to deal with Zayin through notable effort, and Teth on a really, really good day (and a lot of extra firepower, bringing 7/12 people).
Unless they embrace E.G.O or go up like 5+ fixer classes, they won't be winning against Aleph's anytime soon though.

Regarding this, every battle canonically has 12 sinners. Kromer and the Brazen Bull allow 5 sinners but everyone got killed at the end.

[Minh]

Originally posted by Sphericalicious:

Originally posted by CarThief:

Feels like at best we've got Sinners who're able to deal with Zayin through notable effort, and Teth on a really, really good day (and a lot of extra firepower, bringing 7/12 people).
Unless they embrace E.G.O or go up like 5+ fixer classes, they won't be winning against Aleph's anytime soon though.

Regarding this, every battle canonically has 12 sinners. Kromer and the Brazen Bull allow 5 sinners but everyone got killed at the end.

M-01-11-07-TEAR Brazen Bull kills everyone?

[Sphericalicious]

Originally posted by Minh:

Originally posted by Sphericalicious:

Regarding this, every battle canonically has 12 sinners. Kromer and the Brazen Bull allow 5 sinners but everyone got killed at the end.

(M-01-11-07) Brazen Bull kills everyone?

Yeah, flashback at the start of chapter 4. Yi Sang walks up to Dante, tells him "It's rewind time" (paraphrased) and just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ dies. It's mentioned the other sinners are mangled on the floor.