On why Korean feminism is taboo in the Korean game industry

[lum]

Before getting into this article, there may be some awkward parts because this article uses a translator.



I'm going to try to explain why Korean feminism is taboo in the Korean game industry.

First of all, you should know that Korean feminism refers to radical feminism, especially TERF.

Korean feminists are extremists who have committed socially unacceptable crimes, such as child sex crimes, secondary assault on sex crime victims, and belittling soldiers.

That's why the Korean game industry, where the consumer base is mostly male, doesn't want to spend their money on feminists, and game companies often fire artists who show feminist ideology.

Some may argue that the artist and the work are separate and that it is unreasonable to fire an artist for his ideology, but I believe this is the right of consumers.

Consumers certainly have the right to spend their money however they want, and no consumer wants to buy a product made by someone who demeans them.

[【Silver】]

In other words, because the part is tainted, it must be purged instead of healed. Damage to the whole be damned.

I understand the issue, but still disagree with the methods used.

[Demonking]

I'd be all for you guys if you'd ever once shown some clear proof of this being the case. To be completely honest I actually went through a couple of more vocal korean fans to take a look at their twitters. While this doesn't speak to all of them by any means, most of them them sat using the profile for nothing other than collecting porn. That doesn't really help their cases on this being about anything other than their own disappointment about ishmeal.

That said, none of this excuses the actions taken today. You don't storm people's place of work, you sign a petition and hand deliver it with thousands of signatures. You don't review bomb a game for days on end over progressively more ridiculous reasons until you finally found something tangible to latch onto. I fully respect that you guys have your own social taboos and issues over there but they don't excuse any of this. I sat here and gave you guys the benefit of the doubt and did what translating I could to understand your message boards. The fact of the matter is you guys went and ruined a woman's job over 5 to 7 year old tweets and caused the rest of us no end of delays and PM all new problems. It's BS when it's done in america, its just as BS here.

[Nasty_Bdfp]

Originally posted by lum:

Consumers certainly have the right to spend their money however they want, and no consumer wants to buy a product made by someone who demeans them.

NO NO NO.

THis has nothing to do with consumer not wanting to buy the product, and all to do with an harassement campaign from a minority in South Korea.

If it really was a "no consumer wants to buy a product" they simply would have called for a boycott. But they didn't. THey went to the company. Harassed PM. Harassed the Illustrator, just to get what they want.

Sale numbers would have been fine even without those people, if they all quitted.

First of all, you should know that Korean feminism refers to radical feminism, especially TERF.

The term radical doesn't mean much. MLK was considered as a "radical" before being white washed.
Nelson Mandela was considered to be a radical.

Radical is just a derogatory term used to make a movement looks scarier than it really is.

That illustrator was just punished for using free speech.

I guess that means koreans (or korean women at the very least) do not have a right to free speech.

[SmallGespenst]

When you stand on a global stage your cultural ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ will be judged by global standards. You don't get to tell people that they have to understand the cultural context.

[seung]

I agree completely that Korean feminism is distorted beyond measure, yet I believe the other side of the "customers" are distorted as much. The wording they use is as equally violent and disruptive as the radical feminists. Review bombing and barging into the office without any arrangements? sheesh

[Pathetic]

Originally posted by 모잠뷕크히어:

I agree completely that Korean feminism is distorted beyond measure, yet I believe the other side of the "customers" are distorted as much. The wording they use is as equally violent and disruptive as the radical feminists. Review bombing and barging into the office without any arrangements? sheesh

Can you atleast be genuine when you reply like this. I dislike the review bombing but they didnt "barge into the office". They literally turned up. Sat outside and one of them handed over a document of their complaints. Then PM came out and gave them chairs to sit on. Then they made a statement. Youre acting like they pushed into the office and threatened them

[lacrimosa1206]

Originally posted by SmallGespenst:

When you stand on a global stage your cultural ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ will be judged by global standards. You don't get to tell people that they have to understand the cultural context.

Unfortunately for you global standards are not equal to your personal standards. There are many others who frown on TERF ideology. And might I add, there's another name for what you're saying: Manifest Destiny. It was westerners who thought regional cultures didn't matter and started all that crap. So, joke's on you. Kindly gtfo with your self-entitled bull.

Idk if you're a westerner. Maybe you're an Asian who speaks good English. But it doesn't matter since you decided to place "global standards" (aka your personal standards) over cultural context experienced by real people who live in Korea.

[Ghost in the MapleNepvision]

Originally posted by Pathetic:

Originally posted by 모잠뷕크히어:

I agree completely that Korean feminism is distorted beyond measure, yet I believe the other side of the "customers" are distorted as much. The wording they use is as equally violent and disruptive as the radical feminists. Review bombing and barging into the office without any arrangements? sheesh

Can you atleast be genuine when you reply like this. I dislike the review bombing but they didnt "barge into the office". They literally turned up. Sat outside and one of them handed over a document of their complaints. Then PM came out and gave them chairs to sit on. Then they made a statement. Youre acting like they pushed into the office and threatened them

Without any appointments. This is still a security threat to the well-being of all employees there. Who knows what they gonna do next if things get worsen. Who can make promises that there's no one will bring gasline and set the company on fire, we already seen something similar happened before and death threats actually exist.

[SmallGespenst]

Originally posted by lacrimosa1206:

Originally posted by SmallGespenst:

When you stand on a global stage your cultural ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ will be judged by global standards. You don't get to tell people that they have to understand the cultural context.

Unfortunately for you global standards are not equal to your personal standards. There are many others who frown on TERF ideology.

Except nothing I saw showed TERF ideology on the illustrator in question, the illustrator associated with Megalia, not the more extreme WOMAD.

[Yerc2]

Could you say if misandry is as common-place in Korea as it is in the West? Or more/less common?

Since cultures in general have differing values and view things differently, I can kind of understand how things can escalate. But at face value, if we were to just go based on the misandry, and cancel-culture, Korea doesn't really seem that different from the West on these subjects.
I can't say that I am very well-versed in Korean culture though.

Also, it is probably worth noting that the illustrator isn't a TERF. Probably best to not throw around and misuse misogynistic slurs like that.

[lum]

Originally posted by Demonking:

I'd be all for you guys if you'd ever once shown some clear proof of this being the case. To be completely honest I actually went through a couple of more vocal korean fans to take a look at their twitters. While this doesn't speak to all of them by any means, most of them them sat using the profile for nothing other than collecting porn. That doesn't really help their cases on this being about anything other than their own disappointment about ishmeal.

That said, none of this excuses the actions taken today. You don't storm people's place of work, you sign a petition and hand deliver it with thousands of signatures. You don't review bomb a game for days on end over progressively more ridiculous reasons until you finally found something tangible to latch onto. I fully respect that you guys have your own social taboos and issues over there but they don't excuse any of this. I sat here and gave you guys the benefit of the doubt and did what translating I could to understand your message boards. The fact of the matter is you guys went and ruined a woman's job over 5 to 7 year old tweets and caused the rest of us no end of delays and PM all new problems. It's BS when it's done in america, its just as BS here.

This is a link to the illustrator's past social media activities.
https://gall.dcinside.com/mgallery/board/view/?id=lobotomycorporation&no=1462193


From the link, you can see that the illustrator revealed his radical feminist thoughts on social media.

Also, as can be seen in the PM's notice, it is clearly correct not to associate ideas that can be socially controversial with the company.

If she wanted to assert her ideas, she should have at least used an account that had no connection to her work account.

[lacrimosa1206]

Originally posted by SmallGespenst:

Originally posted by lacrimosa1206:

Unfortunately for you global standards are not equal to your personal standards. There are many others who frown on TERF ideology.

Except nothing I saw showed TERF ideology on the illustrator in question, the illustrator associated with Megalia, not the more extreme WOMAD.

Nothing you saw? What exactly did you see?
So you're basing your personal crusade on the limited number of screenshots and tweets posted by other people?
Did you even bother to go into BOTH sides of the community (As in TERF and Toxic Males) and try to piece together an argument of your own? No, right? You probably just picked up bits and pieces thrown to you by other English-speakers who have only scratched the surface of this unfortunate drama, and glossed it over with your personal ideology, which, from the things you've posted, seems to be leaning left.

[Goldy]

Originally posted by lacrimosa1206:

Originally posted by SmallGespenst:

Except nothing I saw showed TERF ideology on the illustrator in question, the illustrator associated with Megalia, not the more extreme WOMAD.

Nothing you saw? What exactly did you see?
So you're basing your personal crusade on the limited number of screenshots and tweets posted by other people?
Did you even bother to go into BOTH sides of the community (As in TERF and Toxic Males) and try to piece together an argument of your own? No, right? You probably just picked up bits and pieces thrown to you by other English-speakers who have only scratched the surface of this unfortunate drama, and glossed it over with your personal ideology, which, from the things you've posted, seem to be leaning left.

This has literally nothing to do with TERFs, not a single thing mentioned by either side has anything to do with trans people in the slightest, stop throwing the word around like you know what it means.