R Ishmael WTH IS THAT.

[Hentaika]

14/18/26 power with hardly any condition after the massive charge changes to her skills and quite okay'ish sinking utility on top?

I think they hired some Ishmael freak as employee recently and allowed him to rebalance Ishmael identities as he sees fit. I see no further explanation.
This or cocainum. A LOT of cocainum.

Literally ALL Ishmael identities got infinitely more love compared to other identities.

It went from literally one of the most questionable identity slots to literally by far best one.

R Ishmael went from 0 to hero
Shi Ishmael who used to be niche top tier for railway got insanely stronger all around with her poise improvements.
Liu Ishmael was the recent top tier Ishmael and she is now even better if you can fulfill her burn conditions which is super easy with how burn works.
LCCB Ishmael got very solid boosts and is totally viable now.

[SpearOfLies]

I will cry in the corner for the EGOs.

[Hentaika]

Don't get me started on the EGOs, yeah...

Ryoshu 6 cost ego with nearly 40 power becoming a 3 target AoE AND dealing up to 100% more damage based on burn stacks? Check.

Don 5 cost ego which scales extra damage based on LUST resource which is usually the garbage dump resource which nearly all top identities have is now a 3 target AoE? Check.

Don already powerful telepole is now 3 target AoE? Check.

Hong Lu lust EGO is now also AoE... Why not.

Sunshower and Ebony Stem becoming 7 target AoE? Not exactly the EGO I would expect them to give such major improvement on...

SO MUCH AoE!

EGO is literally p2w territory with insane costs that I don't even want to comment on.

[Reptiloid]

Ye, cool, and now start toiling in md and thread excavation. You carry 16 tons, and what do you get..

[teamol]

ish is hot but been struggling for a long while.
R Ish is fun idea but too quirky to use,
LCCB is good but limited by bullets,
Shi Ish is great 00 but only when she gets to 50% hp
Sluggish Ish is sexy and hot but kinda dull
Liu Ish, the most recent one, is nice DPS, no crazy damage but a, relatively to her other ones, viable ID for her.

Liu Ish gets more good in UT4 yes, but she needs other Liu (especially hong lu)'s support passive to be able stack alone, that means at least 1 slot taken if you go MD with Ish, and those Liu 00s ain't even do things.

R Ish's buff is reasonable since generally charge in the game doesn't work like her S3

LCCB and Slime becomes functional tanks? I think, didn't look into theirs well

Shi Ish's poises are good to have, but her relatively weak-at-clashing S1 and S3 are still there.

And all of these are behind the wall called UT4, which means lots of threads and shards. That means, for a player started recently with maybe UT3s, the good-old meta guys are still superior. UT4 only makes these identities/egos better in the later phase of game, which I guess brings a fresh air to the gameplay, and brings more possibilties.

And hey it's not like a fighting game where you can only pick 1 character. Join Ishmael enjoyers, drink green slime.

[CarThief]

Yeah, she seems like the only ID really worth spending a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of boxes on to upgrade. Sadly, it is a fix to her ID we had to pay for, rather then y'know, the devs just designing her properly.

Well, atleast now she's somewhere between great and top-tier with those changes on IV. Wonder if she'd actually be viable for a Hard dungeon now, hm...
(S2 and/or S3 skills kinda need to get to 16 total coin power minimally to stand a chance of winning clashes in that dungeon...)

[Hentaika]

Originally posted by CarThief:

Yeah, she seems like the only ID really worth spending a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of boxes on to upgrade. Sadly, it is a fix to her ID we had to pay for, rather then y'know, the devs just designing her properly.

Well, atleast now she's somewhere between great and top-tier with those changes on IV. Wonder if she'd actually be viable for a Hard dungeon now, hm...
(S2 and/or S3 skills kinda need to get to 16 total coin power minimally to stand a chance of winning clashes in that dungeon...)

Somewhere between great and top tier?

Are you consuming the same thing the devs do? Is it cocainum or something better?

She blows literally every single other identity completely out of the water excluding maybe R heath for shorter battles/speedrun reasons.

A 0 condition skill 1 with 14 POWER DUDE! Some identities do not even reach this much on their skill 3. Also inflicts something instead of doing nothing which is usually price to pay for super strong power.
A 0 condition skill 2 with 18 power! Less impressive and has 1 coin which can bite when you get bad RNG. But it gives a whooping 3 sinking count on top of that which has some synergy with some stuff like Spicy Yi.
A skill 3 with 26 power with very easy to fulfill condition by turn 3 at worst after which you will likely always fulfill it whenever you get to use it another time. Is it not enough? Well how about it raising the stagger ~20% more effectively on average and giving a bit sinking on top of that.

If we were to compare it with something which has about as high of a rolls - it would be TT Hong Lu...
But all he does with his effects is literally add a tiny bit damage to himself and having some very hard to proc tricks.

All of those are infinite use unlike R Heath for example. And the charge requirement is now even more generous than the W Don One.

[Bishop]

I mean she is alright now but you really overestimating her capabilities here. She is charge id and while she is usable now she still requires a 3 turn setup. In the game where most stuff either dies or becomes non threat in 2 turns (and preferably should die on turn 1).

Her 18 power skill is also just a clash tool, nothing else. Lots of units have it and its equally bad on all of them. You have to be delusional to set it on the same level as 3-4 coin skills with good coin values.

What makes her actually decent is that ego gift in normal md 2 that gives 5 charge on turn 1. This way she can use s3 on turn 2. Same as every other charge unit now. Without it I honestly wouldn't bother bringing her there.

[Hentaika]

Originally posted by Bishop:

I mean she is alright now but you really overestimating her capabilities here. She is charge id and while she is usable now she still requires a 3 turn setup. In the game where most stuff either dies or becomes non threat in 2 turns (and preferably should die on turn 1).

Her 18 power skill is also just a clash tool, nothing else. Lots of units have it and its equally bad on all of them. You have to be delusional to set it on the same level as 3-4 coin skills with good coin values.

What makes her actually decent is that ego gift in normal md 2 that gives 5 charge on turn 1. This way she can use s3 on turn 2. Same as every other charge unit now. Without it I honestly wouldn't bother bringing her there.

Overestimating her?

Look at what they did with 7 outis who is supposed to be a clash win ID. Literally her only gimmick. She doesn't deal damage, she doesn't do anything special in particular. But she wins clashes.
R Ishmael does that AND deals more damage.

She got literally nearly nothing as uptie 4. She is literally a worse clasher now than some charge ID without charge which was originally not supposed to be a clasher to begin with.

Okay, R heath and Hammer Faust and W don now that her skill 1/2 are also kinda powerful.
Kuro Hong Lu is still nice for how general purpose he is.. especially if we consider he is a 2 star char.
Kuro Ryoshu can kinda get up there in terms of damage while having lower clash value considering the nail buff of hammer faust helping with bleed count. Albeit it's still on the slower side.

But who else is anywhere up there with R Ish?

[Bishop]

7 outis always was bad clasher outside of her skill 2. I use her all the time in md2 due to queen apple and that's pretty much all she does there- spams queen apple on turn 1. Upgraded apple is still great so nothing really changed much for her.

[Hentaika]

Originally posted by Bishop:

7 outis always was bad clasher outside of her skill 2. I use her all the time in md2 due to queen apple and that's pretty much all she does there- spams queen apple on turn 1. Upgraded apple is still great so nothing really changed much for her.

She was literally in top 5 overall clash winners before uptie 4 if we don't consider quirky mechanics and overlapping identities.
Only considering pure overall clash potential from get go.

She was not TOO impressive and certainly deserved a buff via uptie 4, I agree.... certainly deserved it more than W Don or Kuro Ryoshu or Hammer Faust or Kuro Lu...
Heck, I would rate her uptie even worse than R heath who at least got 1 extra skill worth of ammo.

[Bishop]

Originally posted by Hentaika:

Originally posted by Bishop:

7 outis always was bad clasher outside of her skill 2. I use her all the time in md2 due to queen apple and that's pretty much all she does there- spams queen apple on turn 1. Upgraded apple is still great so nothing really changed much for her.

She was literally in top 5 overall clash winners before uptie 4 if we don't consider quirky mechanics and overlapping identities.
Only considering pure overall clash potential from get go.

She was not TOO impressive and certainly deserved a buff via uptie 4, I agree.... certainly deserved it more than W Don or Kuro Ryoshu or Hammer Faust or Kuro Lu...
Heck, I would rate her uptie even worse than R heath who at least got 1 extra skill worth of ammo.

I mean I don't disagree with you on that she deserved a buff. Lots of units deserved more love and got a shaft for it. But it is what it is, at least she still has her niche and she server her purpose (aoe spam bot that feeds her own ego) well enough.

[bleh]

Originally posted by Bishop:

I mean she is alright now but you really overestimating her capabilities here. She is charge id and while she is usable now she still requires a 3 turn setup. In the game where most stuff either dies or becomes non threat in 2 turns (and preferably should die on turn 1).

in md2 charge is trivial anyways if you run don in your team u just slam telepole turn 1.
and now with telepole t4 u dont even have to rely on luck it just gives charge after the attack.

[Hentaika]

Originally posted by Bishop:

Originally posted by Hentaika:

She was literally in top 5 overall clash winners before uptie 4 if we don't consider quirky mechanics and overlapping identities.
Only considering pure overall clash potential from get go.

She was not TOO impressive and certainly deserved a buff via uptie 4, I agree.... certainly deserved it more than W Don or Kuro Ryoshu or Hammer Faust or Kuro Lu...
Heck, I would rate her uptie even worse than R heath who at least got 1 extra skill worth of ammo.

I mean I don't disagree with you on that she deserved a buff. Lots of units deserved more love and got a shaft for it. But it is what it is, at least she still has her niche and she server her purpose (aoe spam bot that feeds her own ego) well enough.

Literally the ONLY identities who got ANY solid amount of love are Ishmael is the problem.

There is some conspiracy going on I tell you.
It's literally as if they decided to work on Ishmael first and then got bored and just slapped random small changes to everything else.
And slightly bigger changes to complete garbage identities who remained complete garbage despite even bigger boosts.

Unless we count the EGO for nearly all identities which got insane boosts compared to identities themselves.
And the costs of uptie for which make me think that they were literally debating on how to finally make game p2w.
And I guess making AoE out of low cost single target EGO with ~40 power was the solution.

[SpearOfLies]

Originally posted by Hentaika:

Originally posted by Bishop:

I mean I don't disagree with you on that she deserved a buff. Lots of units deserved more love and got a shaft for it. But it is what it is, at least she still has her niche and she server her purpose (aoe spam bot that feeds her own ego) well enough.

Literally the ONLY identities who got ANY solid amount of love are Ishmael is the problem.

There is some conspiracy going on I tell you.
It's literally as if they decided to work on Ishmael first and then got bored and just slapped random small changes to everything else.
And slightly bigger changes to complete garbage identities who remained complete garbage despite even bigger boosts.

Unless we count the EGO for nearly all identities which got insane boosts compared to identities themselves.
And the costs of uptie for which make me think that they were literally debating on how to finally make game p2w.
And I guess making AoE out of low cost single target EGO with ~40 power was the solution.

Big chunk of bad gacha IDs got a lot of love. I didn't check all changes.
Seven and BL Yi Sang got some decent love. All Rodion IDs except Rosespanner got a lot of love. Shi Cliff threshold was raise to 50% and he got 2 target aoe on his skill 3 when below 50% hp.

[Hentaika]

Originally posted by SpearOfLies:

Originally posted by Hentaika:

Literally the ONLY identities who got ANY solid amount of love are Ishmael is the problem.

There is some conspiracy going on I tell you.
It's literally as if they decided to work on Ishmael first and then got bored and just slapped random small changes to everything else.
And slightly bigger changes to complete garbage identities who remained complete garbage despite even bigger boosts.

Unless we count the EGO for nearly all identities which got insane boosts compared to identities themselves.
And the costs of uptie for which make me think that they were literally debating on how to finally make game p2w.
And I guess making AoE out of low cost single target EGO with ~40 power was the solution.

Big chunk of bad gacha IDs got a lot of love. I didn't check all changes.
Seven and BL Yi Sang got some decent love. All Rodion IDs except Rosespanner got a lot of love. Shi Cliff threshold was raise to 50% and he got 2 target aoe on his skill 3 when below 50% hp.

It's not a lot of love if ID is still as garbage as it was despite a big bonus.
At least IMO.

Which is the case with majority of stuff you mention like Rodion/BL Yi. Insane boosts, I agree.
But they were absolute trash and became meh to average despite a good boost.