zayin cost sp now

[hellatze]

-15 hong lu
-25 faust
the rest us minus 10

thoughts and prayer ?

[SmallGespenst]

it's kinda funny that this change is a stealth buff to Legerdemain, its singular downside is having an SP cost compared to other Zayin options, so with this patch Suddenly, One Day will be even more pointless~

[Evarrice]

I expect major Player uproar and tons of lunacy.

[Sergalius]

Originally posted by LunaticDelusion:

Good patch,i am happy that PM aren't afraid to introduce changes that will make your average gacha player actually think and not just spam winrate/base ego to clear all the content.

we dont have RR and hard MD. why we should suffer in FARMING??? okay people was enjoyed the Distortion farm yea. with bonk you dead.

[SpearOfLies]

Faust's base EGO nerf seem like an overkill.
I think keeping the passive for that sp cost was more fair or removing the passive and make it cost 10 is also good. Both are totally overkill.

The rest seem fine. You can easily recover from winning a clash so you can keep your sp around 35/45 easily even if you just spam the EGO as long you are clashing with it.
The bigger thing is negative IDs can use base EGO now without the feeling you are picking a worse option.

[SmallGespenst]

Originally posted by SpearOfLies:

Faust's base EGO nerf seem like an overkill.
I think keeping the passive for that sp cost was more fair or removing the passive and make it cost 10 is also good. Both are totally overkill.

The rest seem fine. You can easily recover from winning a clash so you can keep your sp around 35/45 easily even if you just spam the EGO as long you are clashing with it.
The bigger thing is negative IDs can use base EGO now without the feeling you are picking a worse option.

it should be noted that most of the time the -20 SP would put Faust among the three lowest SP Sinners, so she'd be targeted by the heal making the net loss only 10 SP, same as the other (non LoI) Zayin EGOs, the increased SP cost is basically just a way to make sure it the SP cost actually matters without removing the SP generation entirely.

[SpearOfLies]

Originally posted by SmallGespenst:

it should be noted that most of the time the -20 SP would put Faust among the three lowest SP Sinners, so she'd be targeted by the heal making the net loss only 10 SP, same as the other (non LoI) Zayin EGOs, the increased SP cost is basically just a way to make sure it the SP cost actually matters without removing the SP generation entirely.

The problem here is that Faust is one of character that suffer from GOOD ego but poor IDs. Together with Yi Sang and Meursault, their performance is based on their EGO more than their IDs. Except N Faust and Bloom Sang, the rest need the EGO to worth the slot in the team.

This mostly affect people that use base Faust and L corp Faust.

[76561199094324135]

Originally posted by Sergalius:

Guess they would revert back passive and would leave new sanity cost. Pm loves to make one step FORWARD, THAN STAB YOU BACK, Than say - sorry and heal the wound.

Would not ask more think it is reasonable change... though I would hit sanity restore more instead. And reduced cost so it could be activated early, but at least it would have use case. Because I can afford in mirror dungeon or multi stage fights to trigger it turn one but would need to watch out.

Like someone in this thread critiqued what is cast, but it is pretty good execution skill, and passive not that bad, there are way better but it is not bad depending on what you use it for. And considering it is only zayin ego it is free.

[76561199094324135]

Originally posted by RedCobra:

also it's lore accurate. E.G.O even it was zayin Level. still Consume sanity and make you lose your own mind. it just does not make sense using E.G.O does not lose control of your self.

I wonder how it gets along with distortion detective and Gebura. Ok Gebura is not really one to distort. But detecive... I wonder how easy for distortion to reoccur after manifesting EGO once. Because it looks like all base egos are manifested ones because literally based on character they belong to and quite unique.

[aeon]

i can't help but feel like thise are bad changes
i don't give a ♥♥♥♥ because i have fluid sac but people who don't just get ♥♥♥♥♥♥

[Reptiloid]

Nice, I can better balance Nclair and Sunshower Hearth. Though, this is a patchwork solution, they haven't fixed the issue that made Faust necessary and op in the first place. And they realy cut short Faust with that nerf, since her id's are not as good without constant sp heal.

[SmallGespenst]

Originally posted by Reptiloid:

Nice, I can better balance Nclair and Sunshower Hearth. Though, this is a patchwork solution, they haven't fixed the issue that made Faust necessary and op in the first place. And they realy cut short Faust with that nerf, since her id's are not as good without constant sp heal.

Oh, nah those two got ♥♥♥♥♥♥ over by a different change; from how it's described the SP gain on kills is changing to a flat amount with no regard for level, preventing the -coin IDs from cutting that off by being higher level.

[LunaticDelusion]

Originally posted by Sergalius:

Originally posted by LunaticDelusion:

Good patch,i am happy that PM aren't afraid to introduce changes that will make your average gacha player actually think and not just spam winrate/base ego to clear all the content.

we dont have RR and hard MD. why we should suffer in FARMING??? okay people was enjoyed the Distortion farm yea. with bonk you dead.

This literally doesn't affect any of the farming content though,even on floor 5 of md2 you can still just spam winrate and win,without relying on base egos or egos in general to win clashes.

[Mastema]

Originally posted by LunaticDelusion:

Originally posted by Sergalius:

we dont have RR and hard MD. why we should suffer in FARMING??? okay people was enjoyed the Distortion farm yea. with bonk you dead.

This literally doesn't affect any of the farming content though,even on floor 5 of md2 you can still just spam winrate and win,without relying on base egos or egos in general to win clashes.

Keyword CAN, because even ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ bug people on 5th floor can roll a juicy number at 0 sanity if they use a skill with more than 1 or 2 coins. On auto it becomes a gamble, manually not really.

[Sergalius]

Originally posted by Mastema:

Originally posted by LunaticDelusion:

This literally doesn't affect any of the farming content though,even on floor 5 of md2 you can still just spam winrate and win,without relying on base egos or egos in general to win clashes.

Keyword CAN, because even ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ bug people on 5th floor can roll a juicy number at 0 sanity if they use a skill with more than 1 or 2 coins. On auto it becomes a gamble, manually not really.

people still use old system of offence power which PM WOULD CHANGE as a example why it is bad or good lol.
They should accept harsh trush - PM like to REWORK own games in go, but they listen to feedback a lot. x)