Paid lunacy is a separate currency

[Fadeway]

I've seen the claim once or twice now that paid lunacy is a great deal because you can roll for only 13 instead of 130. This is fallacious.

In western games you often have a paid and a free currency, such as gems and gold. The reason for the paid currency is that if you sell things for $2, people know that they're spending real money and spend less. Replace that price with "10 gems" and the aversion goes away.

Paid lunacy is not gold, it's gems. It sits in the same pool as gold to muddle your intuition even more, because "10 of that f2p currency that I earn and spend thousands of" feels even cheaper than "10 gems", but it's gems. When evaluating paid lunacy, don't anchor on the 130 per pull, that's a completely separate currency that has nothing to do with paid lunacy (except for the part where you can accidentally spend your gems at an awful rate).

The correct way to look at gems/paid lunacy is through a real money lens, with current packages placing it 1.30 cents per lunacy or 17 cents per pull, plus inconvenience costs at having to do the pulls one at a time. You can say this is good value or bad value, I don't care, the point of diamonds is to not have the shop saying €0.17 on the extraction screen. And the point of paid lunacy is to get you to anchor on the inflated f2p currency which has nothing to do with paid lunacy rates.

I love the lobotomy series, and developers have a right to earn money on their product. You also have a right to not get scammed, so I hope that this is informative to someone.

[JKArtorias]

wut

[Fadeway]

Diposting pertama kali oleh JKArtorias:

wut

treat the '13 paid lunacy' text on the single roll button as '€0.17'

[JKArtorias]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Fadeway:

Diposting pertama kali oleh JKArtorias:

wut

treat the '13 paid lunacy' text on the single roll button as '€0.17'

Gotcha. I bought the $7 daily Lunacy claim so for me it's $0.14.

But i get the message, don't look at the daily pull as 13 lunacy but the actual paid price per pull. It's good to bring up.

[Bishop]

Its still not terrible (tho maybe a little bit scummy) move from their side. Yeah its 100% designed to force players to spend some money AND log in game every day to spend these money consistently.

But if you really intend to keep playing for a long time.. may as well just put these 30 cents in their pockets. Consider it like a.. long term investment into imaginary pixels or whatever these gacha pulls are.

[Destrower37]

yeah , here we're just talking about common gasha techniques to milk the player base, not if it's worth it or not

[Nyxtus]

He has a point. The reduced single pull requiring paid Lunacy, and not allowing free Lunacy is a pretty ♥♥♥♥♥♥ thing. Is it minor in the grand scheme of things? Maybe, maybe not. You can double single pull on two banners for a ton of "reduced" cost rolls, but only if you have paid Lunacy which the monthly pass doesn't even give you (It gives you paid Lunacy as a lump-sum, the daily allowance is actually free Lunacy).

Let's be level-headed consumers and not fanboys even if we love ProjectMoon and the game.

[Reptiloid]

Eh, rn with the 1st time bonus paid lunacy is gold.

[Fadeway]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Reptiloid:

Eh, rn with the 1st time bonus paid lunacy is gold.

Its gold if the costs in both currencies are the same (they're not, things cost at least 10x as much when denominated in free lunacy) and if they're equally easy to obtain (they're not).
The *whole point* of using the same name for both things is to get you to treat dollars as if they are the same as the f2p currency that's given out and spent in the hundreds per day, when one is orders of magnitude more valuable than the other.

[Bishop]

People who start treating dollars as the f2p currency should probably start treating their gambling addiction instead. Unless they are wealthy. Then nobody cares.

I mean I really don't see much point saying that gacha does gacha thing. It should be pretty obvious.

[Nyxtus]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Bishop:

People who start treating dollars as the f2p currency should probably start treating their gambling addiction instead. Unless they are wealthy. Then nobody cares.

I mean I really don't see much point saying that gacha does gacha thing. It should be pretty obvious.

So are the only two options in your mind to either give in to the predatory systems or to completely ignore them? No middle ground, no other options in your head?

"Gacha games are predatory no point in commenting on it" seems like a pretty ♥♥♥♥ idea especially when there's a developer prone to making adjustments or changes. Do you just accept a baseline level of gacha predatory ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and never voice anything? I don't get this mentality.

[Fadeway]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Bishop:

I mean I really don't see much point saying that gacha does gacha thing. It should be pretty obvious.

This is stuff that works on the standard-issue mk1 human brain. I'm equipped with one of those, I felt like I'm missing out every time I opened the extraction screen, until a day later I realized what they're doing. That doesn't mean that I have a gambling addiction.

When you call two things the same, use the same symbol for them, and count them under the same entry, the standard-issue human brain will treat them as the same. When you then offer price A and price A * 10, the standard-issue human brain will feel like the former is a bargain and that it's missing out by buying at A * 10. No gambling addiction required.

The actual way to deal with this stuff is to acknowledge that your ability to reason about the world is under attack, and try to defend against that*. Hence my original post.

* Well, most people just disengage from this type of game instead of trying to deal with this stuff, but that's not relevant to the thread.

[MotivatedBoi]

I believe the sole reason the paid and free Lunacy aren't divided is because you can use the former in normal pulls too, unreasonable as it is. I'll agree that's kinda scummy, though, but to be fair they should incentivise players to donate somehow (besides the pass i mean).

[MotivatedBoi]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Nyxtus:

So are the only two options in your mind to either give in to the predatory systems or to completely ignore them? No middle ground, no other options in your head?

"Gacha games are predatory no point in commenting on it" seems like a pretty ♥♥♥♥ idea especially when there's a developer prone to making adjustments or changes. Do you just accept a baseline level of gacha predatory ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and never voice anything? I don't get this mentality.

As someone who had the misfortune of arguing with that person not that long ago, i'd strongly advise against trying to question their reasoning.

[Bishop]

Diposting pertama kali oleh MotivatedBoi:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Nyxtus:

So are the only two options in your mind to either give in to the predatory systems or to completely ignore them? No middle ground, no other options in your head?

"Gacha games are predatory no point in commenting on it" seems like a pretty ♥♥♥♥ idea especially when there's a developer prone to making adjustments or changes. Do you just accept a baseline level of gacha predatory ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and never voice anything? I don't get this mentality.

As someone who had the misfortune of arguing with that person not that long ago, i'd strongly advise against trying to question their reasoning.

I mean dude, you literally argued about this game not needed pity system because apparently losing pulls for 300+ times straight is fine for one player as long as probability of getting something is technically better than some other gachas and another player can statistically get few good pulls in a row.

I still think that's a bullsh*t and pity should be there to equalize things ( and will talk about it, because there is a good chance that they will listen if enough people start complain) but you can do yours.

[Bishop]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Nyxtus:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Bishop:

People who start treating dollars as the f2p currency should probably start treating their gambling addiction instead. Unless they are wealthy. Then nobody cares.

I mean I really don't see much point saying that gacha does gacha thing. It should be pretty obvious.

So are the only two options in your mind to either give in to the predatory systems or to completely ignore them? No middle ground, no other options in your head?

"Gacha games are predatory no point in commenting on it" seems like a pretty ♥♥♥♥ idea especially when there's a developer prone to making adjustments or changes. Do you just accept a baseline level of gacha predatory ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and never voice anything? I don't get this mentality.

I mean these daily paid pulls are probably the less predatory thing that even exists in this game, considering that single monthly lunacy pack covers them completely. I can see the point about that being scummy practice and can trick someone into more spending but.. isn't that what gacha is about? Just don't spend more than you can afford.

Btw, its not like I'm trying to force my opinions on anyone, lol.