Why do you lose half of your EGO Shards once Season 1 ends?

[Nyxtus]

I'm struggling to see any purpose to this. If you go under the probability and scope out the fine text, it states that EGO Shards decay by half once Season 1 is over. If you're 380/400 shards for a character, It decays to half wasting all that time and effort. I don't see a purpose to this in any sense.

Once season 2 comes out, why would you want to cut EGO Shards for Season 1 in half? It's quite literally just taking effort and time away from the player and punishing them for not reaching their goal in time. Most of the systems in the game have been really fair and promising, but this is such a baffingly bad decision that I'm left wondering -why- they even decided to implement it in the first place?

With the weekly limit of 5 Mirror Dungeon runs, it will take almost the entirety of the Season 1 runtime to get a specific character, not counting for gacha luck (With some characters like Hong only having a single 00 Identity, making it harder to get shards for him for his TingTang 000 Identity).

I love ProjectMoon and despite the lack of content so far I love this game, but I'm really scratching my head at how horrible this idea and implementation are and I feel like more people don't know about it because it's written in the fine print on the probability window for the game.

[Nyxtus]

Originally posted by caengort:

Because that's how sparking works in every other gacha. You don't get to infinitely farm shards to then instantly unlock all the new IDs and EGOs, they are there so people who spent a lot of rolls on a banner have some kind of guarantee to get what they want/get a nice bonus for a lot of rolls.

This comment is baffling. Every other gacha absolutely lets you save spark resources, in the form of pulls. In almost every other gacha 200 pulls = SSR of your choice. It doesn't work like that in this game, and you either have to pull the 00 rarity for 15 shards each time, and save those to 400 or farm the dungeons.

The reason this decaying this is such an issue is because other than mirror dungeon farming you can't actually "spark" the character you want without luck for dupes of 00 units. You can't just do 200 pulls and get a TingTang Hong spark voucher.

If you save Orundum in Arknights, you can instantly spark the new unit. Same for Crystals in GBF. That's saving the spark currency. You absolutely cannot guarantee the ability to get an 000 identity in this game, except with ego shards, which decay. No other gacha game have I played where your currency decays.

[Arknights]

Originally posted by Nyxtus:

Originally posted by caengort:

Because that's how sparking works in every other gacha. You don't get to infinitely farm shards to then instantly unlock all the new IDs and EGOs, they are there so people who spent a lot of rolls on a banner have some kind of guarantee to get what they want/get a nice bonus for a lot of rolls.

This comment is baffling. Every other gacha absolutely lets you save spark resources, in the form of pulls. In almost every other gacha 200 pulls = SSR of your choice. It doesn't work like that in this game, and you either have to pull the 00 rarity for 15 shards each time, and save those to 400 or farm the dungeons.

The reason this decaying this is such an issue is because other than mirror dungeon farming you can't actually "spark" the character you want without luck for dupes of 00 units. You can't just do 200 pulls and get a TingTang Hong spark voucher.

Yeah, instead you get a paid BP that hands out 125 Choice Shard Boxes. 11 weeks of MD gives you another 165 Choice Shard Boxes.

That's 290 Choice Shard Boxes, alongside another 200 or so Random Shard Boxes from the BP. That alongside rolls means you will absolutely have enough to pity at least one character, even if you somehow minroll every box.

And that's ignoring any other rewards from the game like Lunacy, free pulls, etc.

[Tayx]

It doesn't "waste" half of it, it converts to thread (which you will always need since you will always get new ID's/E.G.O's). The decaying system is a valid way to incentive you to get 1-2 ID's/E.G.O's per season instead of hoarding it forever.

And like other people said, you can literally get whatever ID/E.G.O you want (maybe even 2 per season) for FREE as long as you plan ahead and stay active, no other game does that...

[Hentaika]

Originally posted by Tayx:

It doesn't "waste" half of it, it converts to thread (which you will always need since you will always get new ID's/E.G.O's). The decaying system is a valid way to incentive you to get 1-2 ID's/E.G.O's per season instead of hoarding it forever.

And like other people said, you can literally get whatever ID/E.G.O you want (maybe even 2 per season) for FREE as long as you plan ahead and stay active, no other game does that...

That was overall a viable explanation until roadmap...

But with the roadmap thread becomes farmable/non factor for f2p who actually care about those pity shards.

Before thread dungeon I would say thread was something you certainly could have held as 'meaningful' compensation.

But now? Farmable/useless for f2p who will have very limited amount of identities/EGO.

Beyond praying for giveaway from dev you hardly gain any pulls - you will before long be done with everything you need uptied.

[SmallGespenst]

Originally posted by Nyxtus:

Originally posted by caengort:

Because that's how sparking works in every other gacha. You don't get to infinitely farm shards to then instantly unlock all the new IDs and EGOs, they are there so people who spent a lot of rolls on a banner have some kind of guarantee to get what they want/get a nice bonus for a lot of rolls.

This comment is baffling. Every other gacha absolutely lets you save spark resources, in the form of pulls. In almost every other gacha 200 pulls = SSR of your choice. It doesn't work like that in this game, and you either have to pull the 00 rarity for 15 shards each time, and save those to 400 or farm the dungeons.

The reason this decaying this is such an issue is because other than mirror dungeon farming you can't actually "spark" the character you want without luck for dupes of 00 units. You can't just do 200 pulls and get a TingTang Hong spark voucher.

If you save Orundum in Arknights, you can instantly spark the new unit. Same for Crystals in GBF. That's saving the spark currency. You absolutely cannot guarantee the ability to get an 000 identity in this game, except with ego shards, which decay. No other gacha game have I played where your currency decays.

You're mixing up your resources my dude, the Spark resource is more like the special contract resource Arknights only ever brings out for time-limited character banners, and the instant the banner ends it *all* get's turned into a generic resource. Or the Special tokens SinoAlice uses that are collated by the month and any unspent get erased a week or so into the next month, no return of any kind if you had any left over. what Limbus offers is extremely generous by gatcha standards. (not to mention it's farmable, other gatchas never make the spark resource aquirable through any means other than pulls)

The Orundum equivalent is Lunacy. not EGOshards, and there's no limit on saving that up.

[TheGamePapa]

I've sent an angry email to Project Moon about this. I doubt they'll reply, but whatever. Gotta give it a shot.

And for those ready to ridicule me: I have spent money on the Limbus Pass because I thought it would be a good investment with the game going forward. That was before the update. So there's your "You're getting this game for free!" argument shut down.

For those who still think what Project Moon is doing is okay, let me point to the case of Genshin Impact. In that game, you use Primogems for just about everything, including acquiring resources to get new characters which is the meat of every gacha game. They also run battle passes on set periods to kind of spark engagement by offering rewards which also include Primos, as the cool kids call them. Yet never once did they FORCE you to do anything with your Primos before the next battle pass period under the penalty of halving it and FORCEFULLY converting it into other in-game resources.

I capslocked "force" not to just sound cool; I capslocked them to make a point. This is a video game. It's supposed to be your hobby, and your highest goal is supposed to be enjoyment. When a video game, especially a gacha game, is forcing you to engage with it under threat of taking away your enjoyment, it stops being a hobby and starts becoming a job. And if they insist on keeping their new policy, then this is one job I don't intend on keeping.

[Zalgo]

Originally posted by TheGamePapa:

I've sent an angry email to Project Moon about this. I doubt they'll reply, but whatever. Gotta give it a shot.

And for those ready to ridicule me: I have spent money on the Limbus Pass because I thought it would be a good investment with the game going forward. That was before the update. So there's your "You're getting this game for free!" argument shut down.

For those who still think what Project Moon is doing is okay, let me point to the case of Genshin Impact. In that game, you use Primogems for just about everything, including acquiring resources to get new characters which is the meat of every gacha game. They also run battle passes on set periods to kind of spark engagement by offering rewards which also include Primos, as the cool kids call them. Yet never once did they FORCE you to do anything with your Primos before the next battle pass period under the penalty of halving it and FORCEFULLY converting it into other in-game resources.

I capslocked "force" not to just sound cool; I capslocked them to make a point. This is a video game. It's supposed to be your hobby, and your highest goal is supposed to be enjoyment. When a video game, especially a gacha game, is forcing you to engage with it under threat of taking away your enjoyment, it stops being a hobby and starts becoming a job. And if they insist on keeping their new policy, then this is one job I don't intend on keeping.

Primos are also incredibly sparse compared to the amount of Lunacy that will be thrown at you along with Egoshard crates (Dude, have you forgotten the ♥♥♥♥♥♥ ass first anniversary rewards??!?). You already make a ♥♥♥♥ ton of crates with the events given out and we haven't even gotten to the major one at the moment. Hell it's more expected to try and Save primos and avoid banners up to the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ 3rd to 4th month if you want to be able to pity the unit you actually want. Let me tell you, it felt more of a job farming primos trying to get Raiden than it was playing 20 minutes and getting a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of BP experience and egoshard crates doing 1 MD.

Also funny that you mention Genshin when Spiral Abyss and Artifact Farming is the literal endgame content and the only reasonable way to farm RNG Gear, to me that feels WAY more of a job than what Railway gives as a reward.

Also why compare Limbus Company to ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Genshin Impact, those two are completely LEAGUES apart in how they handle the gacha system and gameplay aspect. For one, Genshin's BP is largely garbage and is mainly useful for the gear all the while being annoying to fill out while Limbus' BP is Easy as hell to level up and gives absolutely vital rewards to the game. Limbus also has the Module System which is a HUGE difference compared to how ♥♥♥♥♥♥ Mihoyo has done with Resin.

[A Wispy Willy]

What new policy or update? We knew shards and boxes would be cut in half since the start of the game.

[Zalgo]

Originally posted by A Wispy Willy:

What new policy or update? We knew shards and boxes would be cut in half since the start of the game.

I still don't understand the backlash to be honest. We make so many egoshards through the events and the MDs that by the time the next season starts, PM has no way to make any money off of new ID releases (since people will just auto spark them).

It's legit possible to get 3-4 sparks worth of egoshards from the start of the season if you do only 2 MDs a day. This isn't even counting the egoshards you will be making off of events. The system implemented obviously isn't gonna be popular, but it's a necessary change for PM to make the Gacha usable to begin with.

[Virtuous]

I agree with this 100% PM pls change Shards

[SmallGespenst]

Gotta love people comparing the shards to the premium currency other gatchas use for pulls.

Originally posted by TheGamePapa:

For those who still think what Project Moon is doing is okay, let me point to the case of Genshin Impact. In that game, you use Primogems for just about everything, including acquiring resources to get new characters which is the meat of every gacha game. They also run battle passes on set periods to kind of spark engagement by offering rewards which also include Primos, as the cool kids call them. Yet never once did they FORCE you to do anything with your Primos before the next battle pass period under the penalty of halving it and FORCEFULLY converting it into other in-game resources.

Primos are not equivalent to Shards, they're equivalent to Lunacy, which never goes away. Genshin does have an equivalent in the Stardust items, but notably that resource can't ever be spent on high rarity characters, only on low rarity characters from launch, and only on two each month. ~but at least it doesn't get reduced at the end of the month I guess?~

[Yerc2]

TL;DR, it's implemented like this to rake in more money.
This is quite a stingy gacha after all.

[Evarrice]

WAIT! ARE YOU GUYS SAYING THAT ALL THE FARMING THAT I'M DOING FOR THE POSSIBLE N-CORP SINCLAIR IS ALL FOR NOTHING!? WOW! F#CKING B#STARDS!

Originally posted by Zalgo:

I still don't understand the backlash to be honest. We make so many egoshards through the events and the MDs that by the time the next season starts,

What about the folks who don't?

[bleh]

the decay is very cringe, if u want us to not craft the new season ID's instantly then simply make it so those shards ONLY work for season 1.

[JKArtorias]

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