P2W & Roadmap

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0 free pulls per month - now
12 free pulls per month - after next week changes

Players unable to gather 400 resources for 000/EGO till the end of the season unless money spent (according to those who made calculations).


Meanwhile Roadmap - new banners/EGOs each 2 weeks.


So devs made this game not to be single player style and it is not - it has no content for it. 3 chapters and you can rest for a year. Understandable.

But why did they make it worst gacha ever then?
20-30 pulls per month is stingy even by gacha standards. And don't misinterpret starting honeymoon period and tickets for awful launch with tons of bugs for a forever thing. Looking at replenishable currency and tickers. We have 12, a lot of dupes and season threads useless without paying money for... what exactly? That's not even P2W, that's some other level. There is nothing to win, but there is nothing to play also for a P2P?


The more I typed, the further it went. WTF the game even is about?
It's awful for gacha enjoyers who like to gamble and check their luck. Both because of currency and low amount of things to roll for and high amount of dupes.
It's awful for single player games enjoyers who like to immerse in a nice written world and completed story, interesting quests etc. It has content for a day or several and no interesting repeatable one. It's obviously made to grab cash (no gachas are made with other purpose), but... oh well.

[MotivatedBoi]

引用自 Birp：

Petition to rename this as the "Salt and Whining Megathread"

Ditto.

[JKArtorias]

I have nothing to add to this thread so here's a funny cat video

https://youtu.be/ePZckW651bQ

[MotivatedBoi]

You know what, that's a good idea. Let's meme this thread to Inferno.

Since this thread's nothing but a pure "bruh" moment, here's a "bwuh" moment:
https://youtu.be/kvAYUJck6sk

[Alex Darkcrowne]

引用自 -W3E- HellDevil：

We dident even get a Free gurtine 10 summon to get a ego from PM. And yes its so heavy on pay to win. Even though people say you can beat it with all O ranks which is bs

P2W, righhhht.
Not like half of the 3 stars have Blunt Weakness.

Stop blaming the game for your failings, you'll do better.

[Snecchi]

Project Moon just announced that we're now getting 250 instead of 150 lunacy for the mirror dungeon. so now we get 11 pulls every 2 weeks

[Nivinxus]

Personally speaking, I think PM's Gacha system is above average and I played a number of gacha games, investing significantly to a lot of them, not whale level, maybe dolphin-ish? Games include Genshin, Preconnect, FOGO, Arknights, Counterside, Destiny's Child etc. Still playing Arknights right now. It is important to remember that everyone should look at this with relativity perspective, especially if you are a gacha player. I played all these games above when they are well into their lifespan.

Considering the pity system is very different on how banners work (Dupes turn into material for you to choose IDs/EGOs to obtain), it is actually quite good. For one, you actually get to choose what you want if you have the mats, and those mats are entirely farmable and is only gated by stamina.

Next, this isn't p2w because there is no pvp.

If anything, the bigger problems for Limbus is the following,

Lack of end-game content
Lack of IDs/EGO for more interesting teambuilding.
Questionable balancing, especially factions like Shi and charge based IDs, the only exception is W.corp Don and maybe R.corp Ishmael being useable. Heathcliff's R.corp is only good in specific scenarios and W.corp Faust is serviceable at best.


That being said, I am a Project Moon simp, but if I compare it to the other experiences of other gachas I played, Limbus is actually better, at least for now. One of the most important factors to consider is that their roster is dwarfed compared to other gacha games, so we might not feel the lack of Lunacy being a pain right now, but newer players down the line might feel it as the roster grows. I think lunacy per mirror dungeon run is the right way to go, and maybe an attendance thing later down the line.

[Dominic]

引用自 Nivinxus：

If anything, the bigger problems for Limbus is the following,

Lack of end-game content
Lack of IDs/EGO for more interesting teambuilding.
Questionable balancing, especially factions like Shi and charge based IDs, the only exception is W.corp Don and maybe R.corp Ishmael being useable. Heathcliff's R.corp is only good in specific scenarios and W.corp Faust is serviceable at best.

i agree gacha is fine, also youll be happy to know we have the first bit of endgame content coming in april
https://twitter.com/LimbusCompany_B/status/1634110447413792768?s=20

[Nivinxus]

引用自 Dominic：

引用自 Nivinxus：

If anything, the bigger problems for Limbus is the following,

Lack of end-game content
Lack of IDs/EGO for more interesting teambuilding.
Questionable balancing, especially factions like Shi and charge based IDs, the only exception is W.corp Don and maybe R.corp Ishmael being useable. Heathcliff's R.corp is only good in specific scenarios and W.corp Faust is serviceable at best.

i agree gacha is fine, also youll be happy to know we have the first bit of endgame content coming in april
https://twitter.com/LimbusCompany_B/status/1634110447413792768?s=20

That's pretty cool, glad my faith in Project Moon is well-deserved. They've always listened to concerns and tried to address it.

[Qwanto]

引用自 Nivinxus：

Personally speaking, I think PM's Gacha system is above average and I played a number of gacha games, investing significantly to a lot of them, not whale level, maybe dolphin-ish? Games include Genshin, Preconnect, FOGO, Arknights, Counterside, Destiny's Child etc. Still playing Arknights right now. It is important to remember that everyone should look at this with relativity perspective, especially if you are a gacha player. I played all these games above when they are well into their lifespan.

Considering the pity system is very different on how banners work (Dupes turn into material for you to choose IDs/EGOs to obtain), it is actually quite good. For one, you actually get to choose what you want if you have the mats, and those mats are entirely farmable and is only gated by stamina.

Next, this isn't p2w because there is no pvp.

If anything, the bigger problems for Limbus is the following,

Lack of end-game content
Lack of IDs/EGO for more interesting teambuilding.
Questionable balancing, especially factions like Shi and charge based IDs, the only exception is W.corp Don and maybe R.corp Ishmael being useable. Heathcliff's R.corp is only good in specific scenarios and W.corp Faust is serviceable at best.


That being said, I am a Project Moon simp, but if I compare it to the other experiences of other gachas I played, Limbus is actually better, at least for now. One of the most important factors to consider is that their roster is dwarfed compared to other gacha games, so we might not feel the lack of Lunacy being a pain right now, but newer players down the line might feel it as the roster grows. I think lunacy per mirror dungeon run is the right way to go, and maybe an attendance thing later down the line.

Truthfully ,end game content and variety problem will be fix after a while.

but what bug me the most (both in good way and bad way) is typical PM grinding.
The game seem to encourage player into buying BP and keep grinding rather than gacha (which is easier way).

I mean you can refill 100+ enkephalin with 26 lunarcy(cap at 10/day)
1 refill = 100 enkephalin = 5 Modules = 1.66 Mirror dungeon farm = 1.16 BP level

I think It safe to assume that 1 refill could transfer into 6 selected shard after next week change. So people with BP pass can farm 60 shards/day with 260 free lunarcy.

Do it 5 days and 1300 free lunarcy will turn into 300 selected shard.
Do it 7 days and Its a free 000 of your selection.

Yes, gacha is a joke and grinding is eternal.

They should have put daily mirror dungeon limit or make more lunarcy consumed after a 3-4 refill.

........My problem about this is i hate grinding.

P.S. I just found this while writing , should be more accurate than mine

https://www.reddit.com/r/limbuscompany/comments/11nrqs7/battle_pass_60_efficiency_breakdown_lunacy/

[NgekNgok]

引用自 lamanz777：

WTF the game even is about?

In Hell We Live, Lament.

[DoT]

引用自 Tusk_Luv：

引用自 Ratohou：

look, 10 draws every 2 weeks is a good amount in draw resources

It's not. Look, I decided to give game 1 last chance try and pull 40 times on FIRST NEW HERO banner. With currency stocked up. I got 9 grey 1 red dupe 3 times and 4th time i got 8 grey 2 red.

Now I will be able to pull same nothing only in 2 months or even more. Skipping 4 banners till then. That's how many currency you get. And no, I already uninstalled game. In current state it's awful and in future it will also be bad to try because gachas reward you for playing since day 1 otherwise you miss a lot of "content" hided behind banners, events and whatever other sh*t.

Okay bye

[MotivatedBoi]

引用自 Tusk_Luv：

It's not. Look, I decided to give game 1 last chance try and pull 40 times on FIRST NEW HERO banner. With currency stocked up. I got 9 grey 1 red dupe 3 times and 4th time i got 8 grey 2 red.

Now I will be able to pull same nothing only in 2 months or even more. Skipping 4 banners till then. That's how many currency you get. And no, I already uninstalled game. In current state it's awful and in future it will also be bad to try because gachas reward you for playing since day 1 otherwise you miss a lot of "content" hided behind banners, events and whatever other sh*t.

Damn, how did I skip that one? Another message to add into my cringe collection :)

[Bishop]

引用自 Qwanto：

........My problem about this is i hate grinding.

I don't mind grinding in itself, if by grinding we assume killing bunch of stuff to get more stuff. The problem with md is not grinding though, its the tedium in between. Loading time, useless heal party event with 5 click just to skip through, loading time, another useless event with adding party member that requires bunch of clicks to go though, loading time, level up sequence with another 5+ clicks to continue, another loading time.

There is no real decision making, you just go through the least amount of combat paths do decrease this loading time misery and mindlessly click on the same events over and over. And it still takes 20+ minutes to finish. At this point just throwing 50€ to skip the month of this "gameplay" feels like a better solution. But neither feels particularly good. I feel like they realizing it too so now we'll have 3 of them for bonus reward instead of 5.

[Hentaika]

引用自 Bishop：

I feel like they realizing it too so now we'll have 3 of them for bonus reward instead of 5.

All sounds neat and such.... except this changes next to nothing.
You still need 5 for a weekly pass and still are getting 1 run for free per day, which means by skipping 1 daily mirror you are kinda missing out on free battlepass, albeit not a big amount.

[Nivinxus]

引用自 Hentaika：

引用自 Bishop：

I feel like they realizing it too so now we'll have 3 of them for bonus reward instead of 5.

All sounds neat and such.... except this changes next to nothing.
You still need 5 for a weekly pass and still are getting 1 run for free per day, which means by skipping 1 daily mirror you are kinda missing out on free battlepass, albeit not a big amount.

Isn't that standard fair for most Gacha. Miss out on a daily mission/login/whatever? That said, it isn't really a big deal, I've gone on hiatus for Arknights for like months on end and come back for a couple of months before going on hiatus again, at worst, I'll miss out on stories that will eventually come around again. It just isn't a big deal in the grand scheme of things.