[Ending discussion/Spoilers unmarked] So... About one of the final twists...

[Raxyz]

Looking up discussion surrounding the game since the DS release, I see a lot of people who weren't big on the Ray reveal. I personally liked it, but I think its explanation is lackluster. Because if I understood the sequence of events correctly, Ray's spirit would have to be 30 years old at that point, right?

First loop Yomiel's plan goes unchallenged. Ray dies near the Temsik and gets ghost powers, but it's still the swap gimmick and he can't do anything by himself. He can rewind deaths, but can't prevent them. He follows Yomiel until his body actually dies and then uses his power to rewind deaths.

In here there's a little problem that's never brought up. If you rewind and do nothing, do you just re-live everything again unchanged? It's the only assumption that makes sense for this to work, but since we always change things significantly it's never brought up.

At that point, Ray is in a second "run" throughout the timeline. When Sissel dies he sees a spirit manipulating objects and tries to recruit his help. He refuses and says that his priority is getting his memory back, then vanishes through the phone line.

At that point, what happens? Does Ray just live through again another 10 years and tries another approach in a third timeline, or he finds Sissel's corpse and rewinds it? That part sounds iffy to me, am I missing something?

[Mixedbeats18]

Quantum phisics arent definally not my strong suit but you know the japanese legend of dog that wait for the owner so long it dies of hunger(?) maybe Missile is just like it, loyalty to the owner until the end and thought "i gonna do a legend of majora mask move" until I gets it right.

[XenoEvil]

Missile and Sissel initial encounter happened in the first run. When sissel refuse to help, Missile just followed Yomiel up to the point where he get betrayed and turned back into a regular corpse. From there, he travels back to Yomiel time of death and waited 10 years in the scrap yard for sissel to awaken to his ghost trick powers.

[Skeeka]

People don't like that ending!? I never looked deeper into it or what people thought but man, I was already fully satisfied with the Sissel reveal/Undo everything ending, but the Old Missile reveal right afterwards made it even better.

That dumb little doggie orchestrated everything.

[Raxyz]

Originally posted by XenoEvil:

Missile and Sissel initial encounter happened in the first run.

This doesn't make sense. Sissel dying happens way before taking the music box and killing Missile and Kamila. He couldn't be in the junkyard in the first run and run into Sissel's spirit.

[Seymour Asses]

Originally posted by Raxyz:

Originally posted by XenoEvil:

Missile and Sissel initial encounter happened in the first run.

This doesn't make sense. Sissel dying happens way before taking the music box and killing Missile and Kamila. He couldn't be in the junkyard in the first run and run into Sissel's spirit.

Nah, in the first Timeline, Missile stays dead when Yomiel and Jeego show up at his apartment and kill him, which happens RIGHT AFTER Sissel and Lynne die in the Junkyard

[Raxyz]

Originally posted by Seymour Asses:

Originally posted by Raxyz:

This doesn't make sense. Sissel dying happens way before taking the music box and killing Missile and Kamila. He couldn't be in the junkyard in the first run and run into Sissel's spirit.

Nah, in the first Timeline, Missile stays dead when Yomiel and Jeego show up at his apartment and kill him, which happens RIGHT AFTER Sissel and Lynne die in the Junkyard

Still, if it happens right after then Yomiel still wouldn't have any reason to return to the junkyard and lead Missile there. Also, what about the body needing to stay there until the paid coroner takes it somewhere else?

[Mixedbeats18]

I am bit off the subject but when there is time travel envolved sci fy got a lot of models and graphics, the Harry Potter one seems to be one based on choice maybe it is like this one

[XenoEvil]

Originally posted by Raxyz:

Originally posted by Seymour Asses:

Nah, in the first Timeline, Missile stays dead when Yomiel and Jeego show up at his apartment and kill him, which happens RIGHT AFTER Sissel and Lynne die in the Junkyard

Still, if it happens right after then Yomiel still wouldn't have any reason to return to the junkyard and lead Missile there. Also, what about the body needing to stay there until the paid coroner takes it somewhere else?

In the cutscene, Yomiel body was not present when missile went to the junkyard to check on Lynne corpse. Missile learn about the scrapyard from the conversation Tengo was having with Yomiel. So we can assume that missile's death happened after Yomiel's body was move to where it was suppose to go by the fake coroner.

[Raxyz]

Originally posted by XenoEvil:

Originally posted by Raxyz:

Still, if it happens right after then Yomiel still wouldn't have any reason to return to the junkyard and lead Missile there. Also, what about the body needing to stay there until the paid coroner takes it somewhere else?

In the cutscene, Yomiel body was not present when missile went to the junkyard to check on Lynne corpse. Missile learn about the scrapyard from the conversation Tengo was having with Yomiel. So we can assume that missile's death happened after Yomiel's body was move to where it was suppose to go by the fake coroner.

Hmm, that fits, but does that mean that Sissel's spirit was just hanging in the junkyard and then bolts off when Missile asks for help? It's the only sequence of events that seems a bit... off to me. I can't quite put my finger on it.

[XenoEvil]

Originally posted by Raxyz:

Originally posted by XenoEvil:

In the cutscene, Yomiel body was not present when missile went to the junkyard to check on Lynne corpse. Missile learn about the scrapyard from the conversation Tengo was having with Yomiel. So we can assume that missile's death happened after Yomiel's body was move to where it was suppose to go by the fake coroner.

Hmm, that fits, but does that mean that Sissel's spirit was just hanging in the junkyard and then bolts off when Missile asks for help? It's the only sequence of events that seems a bit... off to me. I can't quite put my finger on it.

Yes, in the first run Sissel took possession of the lamp and was dancing behind the blue detective's back. That was how Missile found out about Sissel.

[McFuzz]

Originally posted by Raxyz:

Originally posted by XenoEvil:

In the cutscene, Yomiel body was not present when missile went to the junkyard to check on Lynne corpse. Missile learn about the scrapyard from the conversation Tengo was having with Yomiel. So we can assume that missile's death happened after Yomiel's body was move to where it was suppose to go by the fake coroner.

Hmm, that fits, but does that mean that Sissel's spirit was just hanging in the junkyard and then bolts off when Missile asks for help? It's the only sequence of events that seems a bit... off to me. I can't quite put my finger on it.

Yes.

Ray ends up at the junkyard and finds dead Lynne in the first timeline, asks Sissel for help who's like "nah I'm out, peace", because he was confused and without Ray tricking him into thinking he only has until dawn and that he is Yomiel, he's kind of lost and just disappears without direction.

Specifically why Ray ends up at the junkyard while following Yomiel doesn't really need to make sense. Maybe the junkyard's just not that far from Lynne's apartment and it wasn't that out the way to investigate Yomiel's first crime scene lol. We don't really know that much. But it was an important place in the night's events so I guess going there makes sense.

Maybe it was just on the way lol.