I WILL NOT BUY YOUR GAME BECAUSE OF DENUVO

[Scorp🦂]

I do not promote piracy or anything, but when it comes to Denuvo, my position is plain and simple: I DO NOT BUY GAMES WITH DENUVO. Havent bought single game with it till now and not planing to in the future. And I encourage everyone to do so.

Denuvo has known technikal issues and damages performance - it is a fact, proven so many times by now it is unarguable. So the way I see it, if developer/publisher uses it for their game, it means they prioritize protection from piracy over the gamers comfort and overall quality of the game. It is not acceptable for me, I dont want to give my money to developer/publisher with that kind of attitude, and above all, I dont want any of my money to go to Denuvo creators, not supporting them in any way.

[Mixedbeats18]

Cyberpunk welcomes you
Serious thought to me copyrights are just a right same with denuvo and i got 6,8 feets walls around my house same thing in a way

[Soren]

Originally posted by scorp:

I do not promote piracy or anything, but when it comes to Denuvo, my position is plain and simple: I DO NOT BUY GAMES WITH DENUVO.

I'll translate for people since I looked through this guy's post history.

Translation: I wanted to try this game out low key. But because the developers have denuvo I was unable to play and give my feedback on these forums without feeling like I'm endorsing denuvo. I gave gameplay feedback on around 20+ games that I do not own on Steam here because they were all smart enough to not use Denuvo and I never had to buy them. I could acquire them through easier methods. Why can't you be more like those guys instead?

[Scorp🦂]

Originally posted by Soren:

I gave gameplay feedback on around 20+ games that I do not own on Steam here because they were all smart enough to not use Denuvo and I never had to buy them

1. I dont own most of my games on Steam, true. I own them on other platforms, like Epic and GOG
2. I didnt give any feedback on 20+ games, most of my comments on Steam are DEMO feedbacks. And yes, I didnt pay money to play those demos, lol
3. Yes, I do use "other" sources to download games, mostly when Im not sure if I would like the game enough to buy it.

Not that I would bother myself to prove anything to you, just saying

[Stan]

Doesn't even affect game at all.

[Soren]

Originally posted by scorp:

1. I dont own most of my games on Steam, true. I own them on other platforms, like Epic and GOG

There is no such thing as ethical consumption under capitalism. Not really sure Epic's business practices of paying so Steam and GoG customers have a worse experience is that much different from what Denuvo does ethically speaking.

Also, my original point still stands. You aren't really a paying customer on Steam, that's all anyone knows about you. So you speaking with your wallet doesn't mean much. You can't really expect your denuvo feedback to matter to developers/publishers operating on Steam in that circumstance. Not that they even pay attention to steam forums for feedback. They almost never do.

[Mixedbeats18]

Originally posted by Soren:

Originally posted by scorp:

Also, my original point still stands. You aren't really a paying customer on Steam, that's all anyone knows about you. So you speaking with your wallet doesn't mean much. You can't really expect your denuvo feedback to matter to developers/publishers operating on Steam in that circumstance. Not that they even pay attention to steam forums for feedback. They almost never do.

Yeah still have to see one big company answer a question here aside, Valve with what I see around just the Brewmaster company answered a random tropic, isnt just smoke basically

[seed oil consumer]

i wont buy a game unless it has denuvo. only denuvo games care enough about the developers/artists/writers that work on them enough to protect their livelihoods from pirates

[Scorp🦂]

Originally posted by Soren:

Epic's business practices of paying so Steam and GoG customers have a worse experience

Why worse experience? Epics launcher is worse than Steam in terms of functionality, but in terms of playing games there are not much differences.

Originally posted by Soren:

You aren't really a paying customer on Steam

Define paying customer. Do I have to buy all games exclusively on Steam to fit into that category? Because I do own a lot of games on Steam, so I still dont see your point

Originally posted by Soren:

There is no such thing as ethical consumption under capitalism.

But thats for consumers to decide, isnt it?

[HistoricKombat]

Originally posted by scorp:

Originally posted by Soren:

I gave gameplay feedback on around 20+ games that I do not own on Steam here because they were all smart enough to not use Denuvo and I never had to buy them

1. I dont own most of my games on Steam, true. I own them on other platforms, like Epic and GOG
2. I didnt give any feedback on 20+ games, most of my comments on Steam are DEMO feedbacks. And yes, I didnt pay money to play those demos, lol
3. Yes, I do use "other" sources to download games, mostly when Im not sure if I would like the game enough to buy it.

Not that I would bother myself to prove anything to you, just saying

Well, you just admitted to pirating games just to try games.

[Great Sage Equal of Heaven]

Originally posted by scorp:

Originally posted by Soren:

I gave gameplay feedback on around 20+ games that I do not own on Steam here because they were all smart enough to not use Denuvo and I never had to buy them

1. I dont own most of my games on Steam, true. I own them on other platforms, like Epic and GOG
2. I didnt give any feedback on 20+ games, most of my comments on Steam are DEMO feedbacks. And yes, I didnt pay money to play those demos, lol
3. Yes, I do use "other" sources to download games, mostly when Im not sure if I would like the game enough to buy it.

Not that I would bother myself to prove anything to you, just saying

You literally just did you pathetic coward

[Great Sage Equal of Heaven]

This game has a demo, right? You can try before you buy without getting your knickers in a twist about not being able to pirate it

[Soren]

Originally posted by scorp:

Originally posted by Soren:

Epic's business practices of paying so Steam and GoG customers have a worse experience

Why worse experience? Epics launcher is worse than Steam in terms of functionality, but in terms of playing games there are not much differences.

Epic pays money to companies for timed exclusivity. If they were funding games that would otherwise maybe not be funded you could say they would be doing gamers some good by helping to create new games.

But they aren't doing that most of the time. They're buying up games that were already in the process of being created and coming to Steam, and paying money so people can't play the game yet if they want it on Steam or GoG. Their business model is giving companies lots of money to make the end experience worse for specific customers, thus forcing them on Epic if they don't want the lesser experience.

Originally posted by scorp:

Originally posted by Soren:

There is no such thing as ethical consumption under capitalism.

But thats for consumers to decide, isnt it?

As illustrated by my point here with Epic. Buying from Epic is not ethical. To be against Denuvo because it makes the user end experience worse is a hard thing to live by. Because Epic also makes many user's end experiences with game worse. Epic is just one such example of you violating the principles you live by. There are endless more cases that could be made. So that's why I said what I said.

[Metal Fish]

This is kind of a problem, because I also don't like to be connected to play singleplayer games. But we are using Steam who is highly against DRM so I wouldnt' be as cynical as not buying it. I would have remained in gog otherwise.

[Scorp🦂]

Originally posted by Prosecutor Godot:

You literally just did you pathetic coward

No, I did not. Learn to read and understand words before you comment

Originally posted by Soren:

Epic pays money to companies for timed exclusivity

I understand Epics policy. They use exclusivty to draw more customers to their shop. I still dont understand how exactly they worsen experience for gamers. As a gamer, what difference does it make wether you play the game on Steam or on Epic? Epics launcher doesnt damage performance, it doesnt install any malware, doesnt use your computer for mining or anything (as far as I know at least). So again, why is it worse experience? Are you such a diehard fan of Steam that mere thought of playing games on different platform brings you pain, or what?

Originally posted by Soren:

Epic is just one such example of you violating the principles you live by

How so? Yes, Epic are greedy and they want money. Boohoo. But they dont go as far as to potentially lower the quality of games they sell. So why should I care?
I dont mind companies making money. I mind if, for that reason, they are willing to damage my experience as a gamer and violate my rights, as a customer, to have quality product

[Soren]

Originally posted by scorp:

I understand Epics policy. They use exclusivty to draw more customers to their shop. I still dont understand how exactly they worsen experience for gamers. As a gamer, what difference does it make wether you play the game on Steam or on Epic? Epics launcher doesnt damage performance, it doesnt install any malware, doesnt use your computer for mining or anything (as far as I know at least). So again, why is it worse experience? Are you such a diehard fan of Steam that mere thought of playing games on different platform brings you pain, or what?

Epic is paying money so anyone who does not come to Epic has to wait 6 to 12 months to play the game. They are paying money to make the experience of Steam and GoG users worse. Because having to wait for a complete game to come out is a negative. EA and quite a number of other companies do a similar thing these days. Releasing their games 3-7 days early to people who are EA play subscribers for example.The old P2W MMORPGs did a form of this too. Play the game now if you buy a 150$ founder's package, or wait and the game will eventually release for free to the peasant users. In spirit you're defending all these practices because waiting is a free thing you can do. But these are exploitative practices, far more than Denuvo really.

And don't even get me started on Epic trying to get crypto and NFT support for their platform. That sure is ethical, the industries that helped contribute to inflating GPU prices for gamers.

Originally posted by scorp:

How so? Yes, Epic are greedy and they want money. Boohoo. But they dont go as far as to potentially lower the quality of games they sell. So why should I care?

They are not trying to lower the quality of the games they sell. They are trying to lower the quality of the non Epic versions by making them release long after they've been finished. A game being delayed for Steam is a feature some people wanted that is now being deprived to make their experience worse overall. Making consumers be forced to pay in a different place they don't want too. Heck, they pay more in some cases because EGS doesn't really have alternate discount sites and coupons like Steam does.