Lilith Darkness 15

[Urfarah]

So, what's a reliable way to win with Lilith on Darkness 15? I got spoiled by playing Scarlett for so long, where I could do whatever and she would just melt the whole screen, but with Lilith things have been... well, subpar at best.

What Runes do y'all use? What weapons do you prefer? What upgrades should I look for during a run?

I've tried getting the Dragon because, "hey, a summon that gets stronger with time, why not?" but I found it to be infinitely stressing due to the very strict time limit. Like, either get the main skill and the two time based upgrades within the first 3 minutes, which is around 7-9 levels, or don't even bother. Apart from that, I've been focusing on the Bat Gun because I wanted to make it work but, yeah, not much luck there either.

I don't know, things are just not clicking for me with her. I want to like her but I can't seem to make her work reliably no matter what I try. Her damage just feels... lacking somehow. Even when I do well in the beginning that dog boss tends to tear me to shreds due to its speed. Been having a rough time with her.

[comunidade]

try smg + elemental build and runes, go for lightining or fire early for easy clear + anything weapon related but dmg.

[Steelz Cloud]

Use shotgun, universally strong weapon across all characters and allows for the fastest exp scaling since you're killing enemies nearby. I think most people agree it's the single most broken weapon. I tried smg lilith and shotgun lilith, shotgun felt a lot better.

[anima132000]

I didn't really play summoner build with Lilith at D15, because summons at D15 do struggle quite a bit at the 12 minute wave that lasts until the 2nd elite boss since the scythe can't keep up in producing enough damage to protect you from the really tanky enemies that swarm.

As noted above it is easier to run an elemental build at that point and just go with it. You can run shotgun for easier runs or you can run a batgun if you want to keep the flavor.

[GumLong]

Lilith is definetly among the weaker characters, but it can be done. Might take more than one try.

For weapons, you pretty much never go wrong with shotgun. It's pretty good and helps you get the ball rolling on your summons, though they don't really synergize that well. I beat Darkness 15 with the Batgun, although that has a pretty rough start. Once you get comfortable though, it's probably her best weapon.

Cadence and Glass Cannon runes help allevieate the pretty abyssmal DPS you'll have in the beginning. From there, your big advantage is everything being affected by summoning damage, so obviously you'll want all the upgrades you can get in that department, especially the one from bosses.

Speaking of bosses, the Dog is a huge hurdle on Darkness 15. I think Lilith with Batgun actually somewhat shines here, although it's pretty annoying to play out. Because all of your projectiles home, you're gonna want a lot of projectiles that you spam somewhat blindly. Don't be too concerned with aiming, you pretty much can never slow down with the dog. Get the timing on dodging it right, and then work on getting some shots in. It might take a while, but it can be very safe if you get some good upgrades early on.

Speaking of which, the Magic Lens is a bit of a sleeper here. I never really liked in on any other character, but the homing Bat Gun let's you utilize it almost constantly, and because it also scales with summoning just like everything else you have, you can really go ham on summoning damage.

I think the dragon might be a bit of a trap. Maybe I just didn't appreciate its impact enough, but it always seemed to me like it takes a lot of investment with underwhelming and delayed impact. It won't carry you on its own and also doesn't really have the broken synergies you need to combo off with it. Not saying it can't be nice, but with Lilith/Bat Gun, you'll ideally want a run where enemies die almost offscreen anyway. Not even sure if I had it on my run.

Elemental effects are pretty broken once you start stacking them, so obviously you'll appreciate them here too, but they're maybe a bit less of a concern than on some other characters/weapons. Lightning is still very nice once your projectile spam approaches critical mass, and shatter is pretty much always OP.

I think that's pretty much it. Not the most pleasant start, but once you're over the dog you've got the worst behind you, assuming you can keep up. And you don't need every single summoning damage up. I didn't get the 40% damage increase from the magic dagger until the run was almost over and won anyway.

[Urfarah]

Thanks everyone. Finally managed to win with her and yeah, ditching the dragon and prioritizing elemental skills was the way to go. Which is kind of a shame really because it seems elemental skills are just that essential to the success of the vast majority of character builds.

It would be nice if summoning skills and bullet skills received a few buffs, either by increasing their effects a little and/or reducing their penalties and/or inflicting new types of debuffs to enemies (like, I don't know, bleeding? enemy possession?).

[Denis]

i don't know how darkness 15 goes but glare always seems nice to get early game especially with weaker weapons like bat gun, basically free dps to anything that gets close

[little Star]

Lilith + Batgun with Cadence worked fine. I used gun rune and the splinter/piercing upgrades and it cleared the screen till 10 minutes in. By minute 10 I had freeze and shatter too and I kept building bullet damage and summon damage. If you make use of the lens that is buffed by summon stats you should have no issue tbh.

https://i.imgur.com/TZiyDTN.png < Picture for build.