Demo? Not really.

[Holla die Waldfee]

A demo is supposed to...demonstrate. Demonstrating what (in this case a game) can do, what it looks like, how it feels, etc.
And this demo surprisingly leaves me REALLY cold, as cold as the entire game as it presents itself so far.
The protagonist's movement is greasy, phlegmatic. The few opponents are extremely stupid. The level design is great, the atmosphere...what atmosphere? Not available. Terrible.
The HUD is a bad joke! The inventory system is mediocre, but okay. The Vendor...honestly now? It couldn't be worse (optics)!
Sorry, but a lot still has to happen before the game is worthy of another look. Unfortunately I'm very disappointed, I didn't think so. A pity.

[cadgam]

It is a tech demo meant to showcase progress in development, not the full game.

[Rottmeister]

Originally posted by cadgam:

It is a tech demo meant to showcase progress in development, not the full game.

Yea, I guess the ,,real" demo comes when the game reaches early access stage.

[forth]

It's just to show case how light weight and good looking the Godot engine can be for developers. From that stand point it's an amazing demo.

[Dan Murphy]

It certainly functions well as a vertical slice, perhaps it's enough to convince publisher to invest resources, but I think I agree to some extent. It's not akin to a demo of a waterfall-managed polished product that's entirely finished.

[𝖘0𝖙𝖆]

Originally posted by Holla die Waldfee:

A demo is supposed to...demonstrate. Demonstrating what (in this case a game) can do, what it looks like, how it feels, etc.
And this demo surprisingly leaves me REALLY cold, as cold as the entire game as it presents itself so far.
The protagonist's movement is greasy, phlegmatic. The few opponents are extremely stupid. The level design is great, the atmosphere...what atmosphere? Not available. Terrible.
The HUD is a bad joke! The inventory system is mediocre, but okay. The Vendor...honestly now? It couldn't be worse (optics)!
Sorry, but a lot still has to happen before the game is worthy of another look. Unfortunately I'm very disappointed, I didn't think so. A pity.

Horrible just horrible feedback, Insanely counter productive and down right dissrespectful. You are giving no value in return to the dev and it comes across as complete hate. Do better, try to at least see his POV and then make something constructive. Give out value.

[SavRoyale]

Originally posted by Dan Murphy:

It certainly functions well as a vertical slice, perhaps it's enough to convince publisher to invest resources, but I think I agree to some extent. It's not akin to a demo of a waterfall-managed polished product that's entirely finished.

Dev isn't looking for a publisher. RtV is fully financed by Patreon and some contest he won.
Maybe there will be some partnerships, dunno. Publishers are mostly the Main Problem why we only get bugged out crap without any love nowadays. So i think it would be best for RtV to stay without one.

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However, i understand that the term "Demo" can be a little bit confusing. This was the only way to show People the direction the Game is going for free. It is firstly meant for People who are following the Development and want to give initial feedback on the Progress.

i talked to the dev, around 1 or 1,5 Years ago to make those ... lets call them ... tests only available through patreon. He doesn't want it and rn i also think it's fine to hand that .... test .... out to everyone.

While it is good for us some People who don't follow the development maybe don't understand the sense of this "Demo". I can understand booth sides.

[Linksu]

Originally posted by Dan Murphy:

It certainly functions well as a vertical slice, perhaps it's enough to convince publisher to invest resources, but I think I agree to some extent. It's not akin to a demo of a waterfall-managed polished product that's entirely finished.

Yeah well, it's a one man team developing & publishing this as far as I know.
He's been doing this project for a long time, so I'd say he's "invested".
Check the YouTube-channel to know more!
EDIT: https://www.youtube.com/@roadtovostok

Originally posted by 𝖘0𝖙𝖆:

Originally posted by Holla die Waldfee:

A demo is supposed to...demonstrate. Demonstrating what (in this case a game) can do, what it looks like, how it feels, etc.
And this demo surprisingly leaves me REALLY cold, as cold as the entire game as it presents itself so far.
The protagonist's movement is greasy, phlegmatic. The few opponents are extremely stupid. The level design is great, the atmosphere...what atmosphere? Not available. Terrible.
The HUD is a bad joke! The inventory system is mediocre, but okay. The Vendor...honestly now? It couldn't be worse (optics)!
Sorry, but a lot still has to happen before the game is worthy of another look. Unfortunately I'm very disappointed, I didn't think so. A pity.

Horrible just horrible feedback, Insanely counter productive and down right dissrespectful. You are giving no value in return to the dev and it comes across as complete hate. Do better, try to at least see his POV and then make something constructive. Give out value.

I just couldn't agree more.
OP's "feedback" is the stuff that usually comes from the opposite end where you put food in order to eat.

[𝖘0𝖙𝖆]

Originally posted by Linksu:

Originally posted by Dan Murphy:

It certainly functions well as a vertical slice, perhaps it's enough to convince publisher to invest resources, but I think I agree to some extent. It's not akin to a demo of a waterfall-managed polished product that's entirely finished.

Yeah well, it's a one man team developing & publishing this as far as I know.
He's been doing this project for a long time, so I'd say he's "invested".
Check the YouTube-channel to know more!
EDIT: https://www.youtube.com/@roadtovostok

Originally posted by 𝖘0𝖙𝖆:

Horrible just horrible feedback, Insanely counter productive and down right dissrespectful. You are giving no value in return to the dev and it comes across as complete hate. Do better, try to at least see his POV and then make something constructive. Give out value.

I just couldn't agree more.
OP's "feedback" is the stuff that usually comes from the opposite end where you put food in order to eat.

It just doesn't make sense to me. He wasn't lied to, he wasn't robbed, his time was "wasted" due to his own poor decision making.. It baffles me how just Sh*tty some people can be unprovoked, like does he feel happy being just a nuisance? Rather than being on the spectrum of taking part on making the game better?

This dev is one of the most communicative, active and trustworthy developers ever.

[Dan Murphy]

Originally posted by SavRoyale:

However, i understand that the term "Demo" can be a little bit confusing...
...While it is good for us some People who don't follow the development maybe don't understand the sense of this "Demo". I can understand booth sides.

I think it's just the expectation of a more fleshed out demo because of the context of other older boxed games and indie successes with massive Demos, like Factorio for example. RtV Public Demo 2 has heaps of gameplay compared to the old Demoscene of the 90s. And in the end, it Valve is in control of naming the big green Steam button labelled 'Demo', so expectations are set there too.

[Voitt]

i dont get it why they did not release this with some sort of cheat menu. its insane to grind to see better weapons on a demo

[Voitt]

Originally posted by Voittosumma:

i dont get it why they did not release this with some sort of cheat menu. its insane to grind to see better weapons on a demo

by cheat i mean something like press this to sspawn riffle instead of you running around with a pistol and if you are lucky enough you might get to see other weapons

[Rottmeister]

Originally posted by Voittosumma:

Originally posted by Voittosumma:

i dont get it why they did not release this with some sort of cheat menu. its insane to grind to see better weapons on a demo

by cheat i mean something like press this to sspawn riffle instead of you running around with a pistol and if you are lucky enough you might get to see other weapons

Not that hard to get better weapons.

[Murder Medic]

Originally posted by 𝖘0𝖙𝖆:

Originally posted by Holla die Waldfee:

A demo is supposed to...demonstrate. Demonstrating what (in this case a game) can do, what it looks like, how it feels, etc.
And this demo surprisingly leaves me REALLY cold, as cold as the entire game as it presents itself so far.
The protagonist's movement is greasy, phlegmatic. The few opponents are extremely stupid. The level design is great, the atmosphere...what atmosphere? Not available. Terrible.
The HUD is a bad joke! The inventory system is mediocre, but okay. The Vendor...honestly now? It couldn't be worse (optics)!
Sorry, but a lot still has to happen before the game is worthy of another look. Unfortunately I'm very disappointed, I didn't think so. A pity.

Horrible just horrible feedback, Insanely counter productive and down right dissrespectful. You are giving no value in return to the dev and it comes across as complete hate. Do better, try to at least see his POV and then make something constructive. Give out value.

Im always really happy to see rational human beings left in the world. After reading a few lines I was just about to post almost the same things you wrote. Some folks just miss the whole point of these release demos. Theyre likely salty for some reason to EA games... not like we all havent been burned before... but ffs this is a free demo... gotta be a sociopath if a person doesnt realize its just a play test. Or also not taking into consideration the person/people behind these games. Not every EA game we come across is going to end up like "TheDayBefore" lol

[𝖘0𝖙𝖆]

Originally posted by Nick:

Originally posted by 𝖘0𝖙𝖆:

Horrible just horrible feedback, Insanely counter productive and down right dissrespectful. You are giving no value in return to the dev and it comes across as complete hate. Do better, try to at least see his POV and then make something constructive. Give out value.

Im always really happy to see rational human beings left in the world. After reading a few lines I was just about to post almost the same things you wrote. Some folks just miss the whole point of these release demos. Theyre likely salty for some reason to EA games... not like we all havent been burned before... but ffs this is a free demo... gotta be a sociopath if a person doesnt realize its just a play test. Or also not taking into consideration the person/people behind these games. Not every EA game we come across is going to end up like "TheDayBefore" lol

Love everything you said.

[Casbah]

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