Every Co-op game should be minimum 5 people, Hear me out.

[Ember]

If the cap was 4 you can play fine if you were 2 people 3 people 4 people

But 5?

What are you gonna do? divide the team to 3 by 2 ?
That does not work!

Why? you might ask?

Because playing as only 2 people is Sad! especially when your other team is 3 people!

Tell me how many games out there with a max of 2 players only?
Not Much! that's for sure!

But!!

If the max was 5! Then that single person would not be singled out!
And if they're 6 people then they just divide the team to 3 by 3

Logic!!!

You know the rule of three! You need three people to make a perfect team!
And with that being said, I petition to make the cap into 5 people

Would be highly appreciated.

[Ember]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von nicks husband coach:

why would you divide people in a team? arent yall supposed to work together?

Cuz we're 5 people and the game cap is 4 so we will be forced to play as either

3 by 2 :'(
or
4 by 1 :'( :'(

[Ember]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Lazarhunter:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Stelar Seven:

Four players, got it.

How about Sub Devs, let us host a server, and pile in as many friends as we got cores to manage them.

10 people on the Cyclops would be a total nightmare, especially if they add player collision

Yeah, I understand the Devs need to ensure the quality of the game, I dont want to have my gaming experience be ruined by lags, crashes and what not

But having to play as only to 2 people when you are 5 has already ruined the experience for me, And it's just because of 1! missing spot!

Now that's just sad

[Ember]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Lazarhunter:

This is a very specific complaint that we don’t know what kind of effect an additional player could add, I think the main problem is if every player is in a different area, all 4 areas would have to be loaded at the same time on the same server. I believe that was a problem with the multiplayer mod for S1 but I never used it so I can’t be sure

Yeah that's what I got as well but having already played multiplayer games that allow a much larger number than that makes it seem possible, Especially if it's only 1 extra person

And although Subnautica is different then them considering the fact that it's world is entirely submerged in water I'm sure it's going to be more demanding, How much? I don't know

But surely one extra slot is not going to make that much of a difference, Right?

[Ember]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Stelar Seven:

Four players, got it.

How about Sub Devs, let us host a server, and pile in as many friends as we got cores to manage them.

I don't know how possible something like that would be

[Serious Secare]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Ember:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Serious Secare:

WHY NOT 7!??!?

I get the desire to keep your group as a whole, I really do

But unfortunately the number of players affect the stability and experience of the game? Apparently? Or at least it what I heard

Plus adding 1 extra slot is easier than 3 I'm tryna be realistic

A 4 by 3 is still better than a 3 by 2

Alas if only everyone can get what they want

I read this like it was a skit in Monty Python's Quest For The Holy Grail

[Ember]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Serious Secare:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Ember:

I get the desire to keep your group as a whole, I really do

But unfortunately the number of players affect the stability and experience of the game? Apparently? Or at least it what I heard

Plus adding 1 extra slot is easier than 3 I'm tryna be realistic

A 4 by 3 is still better than a 3 by 2

Alas if only everyone can get what they want

I read this like it was a skit in Monty Python's Quest For The Holy Grail

That's a compliment, right?

[Lazarhunter]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Ember:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Lazarhunter:

This is a very specific complaint that we don’t know what kind of effect an additional player could add, I think the main problem is if every player is in a different area, all 4 areas would have to be loaded at the same time on the same server. I believe that was a problem with the multiplayer mod for S1 but I never used it so I can’t be sure

Yeah that's what I got as well but having already played multiplayer games that allow a much larger number than that makes it seem possible, Especially if it's only 1 extra person

And although Subnautica is different then them considering the fact that it's world is entirely submerged in water I'm sure it's going to be more demanding, How much? I don't know

But surely one extra slot is not going to make that much of a difference, Right?

We don’t know, that’s the main problem, maybe they will increase the max, and if they don’t, I’m confident that mods for more people will come out anyways

[Buggy Boy]

I still don't get this 2 + 3 thing. Why would you need to split the players into two groups? Can someone please explain this to me? If the game supports 4 players then I would expect those players to play together, if it supported 5 players I would expect them to play together, why is it so important to split the team up? Besides, whether it's 3, 4, or 5 players and the team is being split, it could be 1 + 3 or 1 + 4, what's the obsession with 2 + 3? Why do you think that 2 + 3 is better than 2 + 2? How is 3 + 3 any different or better play-wise to 2 + 2?

[SirProsik]

First I have to ask is Co-op peer to peer or is there a hosted server?

If peer to peer then 4 is a nice cap to limit bandwidth as some states are working to tax such use as well as streaming. This Co-op world to be quite honest is about to be extremely limited due to up-coming tax initiative(Yes I know the US Supreme Court ruled a few years ago no tax on internet) by the current Governor in the state I live in.

Why 2 by anything? Are you playing 2 computers at once? Should it not be 1+1, 1+2, 1+3?

[Ember]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Buggy Boy:

I still don't get this 2 + 3 thing. Why would you need to split the players into two groups? Can someone please explain this to me? If the game supports 4 players then I would expect those players to play together, if it supported 5 players I would expect them to play together, why is it so important to split the team up? Besides, whether it's 3, 4, or 5 players and the team is being split, it could be 1 + 3 or 1 + 4, what's the obsession with 2 + 3? Why do you think that 2 + 3 is better than 2 + 2? How is 3 + 3 any different or better play-wise to 2 + 2?

Cuz we're 5 people and the game's cap is 4 so we will be forced to play as either

3 by 2 which is sad because one group will be forced to play as only 2 people when they were 5, And you need at least 3 people in a team to get a good dynamics

Not everyone is playing with their girlfriend

or 4 by 1 which is cruel to single out people, we don't want to have to single out anyone

[Ember]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von SirProsik:

First I have to ask is Co-op peer to peer or is there a hosted server?

If peer to peer then 4 is a nice cap to limit bandwidth as some states are working to tax such use as well as streaming. This Co-op world to be quite honest is about to be extremely limited due to up-coming tax initiative(Yes I know the US Supreme Court ruled a few years ago no tax on internet) by the current Governor in the state I live in.

Why 2 by anything? Are you playing 2 computers at once? Should it not be 1+1, 1+2, 1+3?

It depends on the game, but a dedicated server is more common, And I don't know about tax but I doubt that's problem considering the fact high multiplayer games are still being produced

And It's not 2 computers it's 5 people with a cap of 4 and 2 is not a good dynamics for a team, You can't even call it a team it's a Duo!

[リアンダ]

I think team size should be dependant on the gameworld and how much busywork there is in the game to keep everyone entertained. Anything between 2-4 seems adeqaute for they setting.

[Buggy Boy]

Hmm, I think maybe I get it now. So you have 5 friends who want to play a co-op game together, so if the player cap is 4 then 1 person is left out, then in order to still play the game co-op you have to play in two separate sessions.

I don't think 2 players is going to be that different to 3 or 4. If I play this game co-op it will likely be with the only friend I know who played the first two games, so I'll either be playing solo or co-op with a team of 2.

I very much doubt the devs are going to change their plans just for one person who likes to play with their four other friends. I wish you luck with your campaign!

[Sero]

Feels more like a thought experiment but you are probably correct in your assessment that the devs won't change it, Buggy Boy.
I am certain there will be mods which remove that limit eventually though.
I can already see the video of twenty people trying to knife a leviathan.

[Ember]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Buggy Boy:

Hmm, I think maybe I get it now. So you have 5 friends who want to play a co-op game together, so if the player cap is 4 then 1 person is left out, then in order to still play the game co-op you have to play in two separate sessions.

I don't think 2 players is going to be that different to 3 or 4. If I play this game co-op it will likely be with the only friend I know who played the first two games, so I'll either be playing solo or co-op with a team of 2.

I very much doubt the devs are going to change their plans just for one person who likes to play with their four other friends. I wish you luck with your campaign!

Thanks