Privacy policy

[COLIN THA DUDE!]

OK, what does Penny need all my information for?
Opening a game like this into a massive list of all the data you're collecting on me is off putting.

[Fubuki]

Saw this on boot as well, it lists a massive amount of specific data it's grabbing from you (ranging from gameplay data and account info, to data from open programs, chat logs, exact location information, etc.)

It's a single-player game, what could they possibly need all that data for?

[SneakyBeat]

Expect it in everything from now on, companies want data to sell to A.I companies.

[Fubuki]

Originally posted by SneakyBeat:

Expect it in everything from now on, companies want data to sell to A.I companies.

Considering a refund if that's the case, waiting for more info though since the game just came out.

[snackerfork]

Going through three separate EULAs for this is hugely concerning regardless of whether it uses that data or not, but it seems you can just disable the program in your firewall (or block it) and it works fine.

[Smudgy Bard]

Originally posted by Fubuki:

Saw this on boot as well, it lists a massive amount of specific data it's grabbing from you (ranging from gameplay data and account info, to data from open programs, chat logs, exact location information, etc.)

It's a single-player game, what could they possibly need all that data for?

I heard about this but hoped it wouldn't be super excessive. Hearing this makes me reconsider buying this game on PC. "Vote with your wallet" and all that. Hopefully they make a GOG version without all of this or just patch it out. This type of stuff should really have no place in a single player game.

[snackerfork]

I completely agree but EULAs are overbroad legalese on purpose, and two of them are from TakeTwo (the publisher.) This *is* an indie game made after Sega screwed over the Mania devs so I don't think they should be punished for scummy publisher mandates.

[eispfogel]

I refunded the game...not only is it crashing on AMD GPUs, but the crashlog contains stuff, that they shouldn't collect(One Drive Contents, Emulator Folders...some registry entries ...why do they need Infos about Need for Speed?) and all that other data collection...my god...as if i sold my soul.

Too bad..a Singleplayergame that collects so much data...i don't want this.

[snackerfork]

It's reading the contents of your document folders? Jesus.

[valcan_s]

Originally posted by RedLine:

OK, what does Penny need all my information for?
Opening a game like this into a massive list of all the data you're collecting on me is off putting.

I agree, it is completely insane and makes me want to refund the game. It's bad enough my 7900 XTX hard locks because of something in the game, but those damn pages should only show up once then never again.

I don't get it either why of all the games would an indie title like this have such insane EUL's and data collection?

They should remove it ASAP. I think a dev or rep should say something very soon or I will return it and others should be concerned as well and follow suit.

[snackerfork]

Originally posted by eispfogel:

I refunded the game...not only is it crashing on AMD GPUs, but the crashlog contains stuff, that they shouldn't collect(One Drive Contents, Emulator Folders...some registry entries ...why do they need Infos about Need for Speed?) and all that other data collection...my god...as if i sold my soul.

Too bad..a Singleplayergame that collects so much data...i don't want this.

Would you mind clarifying something for me? What do you mean by a crash log? I intentionally crashed the game by spamming resolution changes but I didn't see any references to data collection or files/folders in there. Do you mean the visual studio dump?

[COLIN THA DUDE!]

Yeah sucks for the devs but I'm not supporting a publisher that requires my exact location and ♥♥♥♥ size.
Refunded it the second I saw this EULA.
edit: pretty confident this breaks EU UK DPA laws (gathering excessive/unnecessary data even with """"consent"""" is still against common understanding of the act)

[eispfogel]

Originally posted by snackerfork:

Originally posted by eispfogel:

I refunded the game...not only is it crashing on AMD GPUs, but the crashlog contains stuff, that they shouldn't collect(One Drive Contents, Emulator Folders...some registry entries ...why do they need Infos about Need for Speed?) and all that other data collection...my god...as if i sold my soul.

Too bad..a Singleplayergame that collects so much data...i don't want this.

Would you mind clarifying something for me? What do you mean by a crash log? I intentionally crashed the game by spamming resolution changes but I didn't see any references to data collection or files/folders in there. Do you mean the visual studio dump?

I refunded the game, but i kept my Crashlog(penny.dmp - it crashed often since i use an AMD system and pressing jump crashed the game...or crashed it..i refunded it..)
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It lists more stuff from Emulators.

I guess it would be enough if they just collect the system components, Windows Version and this:
Executable: D:\Steam\steamapps\common\PennysBigBreakaway\PennysBigBreakaway.exe


Exception: Access Violation (code 0xc0000005) at address 7fff'0d3912db in thread 310C
Logical Address: 0001:'000002db

3b'da4ff500 7fff'0d3912db VCRUNTIME140.dll memcmp+EB
Params: '00000006 3b'da4ff559 '00000000 7ff6'1aa56508

3b'da4ff5b0 7ff6'1a62f679 PennysBigBreakaway.exe RSDK_GetAPIChecksum+FD749
Params: '00000000 '00000000 7ff6'19fb0000 7ffe'c19d38a0

3b'da4ff710 7ff6'1a55e935 PennysBigBreakaway.exe RSDK_GetAPIChecksum+2CA05
Params: '00000000 '00000000 '00000000 '00000000

3b'da4ffad0 7ff6'1a63321f PennysBigBreakaway.exe RSDK_GetAPIChecksum+1012EF
Params: '0000000a '00000000 '0000000a 18a'ea810000

3b'da4ffb10 7ff6'1a721892 PennysBigBreak

I won't dig deeper into it. It isn't a full system and memory dump...but it's enough.

[Fubuki]

Originally posted by eispfogel:

I won't dig deeper into it. It isn't a full system and memory dump...but it's enough.

Yikes, I hate to refund an indie game like this but Take-Two's really committing to a huge privacy violation here. Looks like I have a couple weeks to make the refund so I might wait to see if there's any update before then.

[KyoStarr]

Is there a way for us to block this currently? Would setting Windows Defender to block the game from connecting to the internet prevent Take Two from collecting our data?

[COLIN THA DUDE!]

probably but I ain't supporting this