Transfer Value

[rcdpress]

Will there be any changes done to player transfer values in subsequent updates? Some of the players in the Premier League have values that don't really reflect the prices of transfers in real life.

[Nokia]

Can you explain the point a bit more?

How market value currently works:
It calculates different factors like strength of the player, age, talent, skills, contract length, injury proneness and some other factors.

In the end, there will always be some kind of formula, to determine the market value of every player in every league and every single team.

[Nokia]

The value of how much is a team willing to pay and the other is willing to let him go is another story... and another formula. :-)

[fredingue]

but...why do clubs ask for 2x or 3x the Player's market value to sell him, even with custom "easy transfer" checked ?

[JasseBasse]

Originally posted by fredingue:

but...why do clubs ask for 2x or 3x the Player's market value to sell him, even with custom "easy transfer" checked ?

At the same time they only offer 45-55% of the value of the players you want to sell/transfer. Makes no sense at all.

[Nokia]

My guess: Players don’t have that one price tag.

If you want a specific player, some clubs ask the double value or more.
It is also a way to make the game not all too easy, i think.

Some players you get for their current value thou, but not everyone.
In my opinion the price they ask is a good mechanic, it makes the game harder.
And we see it in reality sometimes too, that a player is sold for much more than "valued" when i look at some of the transfer values of players from english clubs (Caicedo, Maguire, Fofana, Cucurella, ... ).

[Nokia]

In my opinion it is debatable, how much sense if makes. :-)

When i want to sell a player for example, it already reduces the price. Makes sense to me.
And if some club tries to buy my player, they will try to make a steal. Makes sense to me too.

[JasseBasse]

Originally posted by Nokia:

In my opinion it is debatable, how much sense if makes. :-)

When i want to sell a player for example, it already reduces the price. Makes sense to me.
And if some club tries to buy my player, they will try to make a steal. Makes sense to me too.

Yeah, in "normal (game) world" that would make sense. It doesnt, because it is not working both ways. Anytime I ask for a player his asking price goes through the roof. Fair enough, clubs are reluctatnt to sell their best assets. BUT. But any and every time AI makes an offer for my player it is often hardly half of his market value. THAT does not make much sense. And "Transfer Deadline Day" is just a joke.

[МЁРТВОЕ]

If you try to buy transfer listed player usually his price will be lower then market price (which is already lowered cause of different factors) +you can negotiate. If you trying to buy star player who loved by everyone his price would be "no, go away". I had offers that are 1.5x times of market price for my players. And i had transfer deadline offers of good young players with 0.5 years of contract left for 10% of allready low market value.

Mb transfer value of some players feels low/high because in game they are not what they are in real life. Default pricing seems ok.

When i`m trying to sell player i just put him on transfer list and wait, usually his gone in 1year for 50%-90% of his value depending on quality of player. I think its ok.

[Nokia]

Originally posted by JasseBasse:

Yeah, in "normal (game) world" that would make sense. It doesnt, because it is not working both ways. Anytime I ask for a player his asking price goes through the roof. Fair enough, clubs are reluctatnt to sell their best assets. BUT. But any and every time AI makes an offer for my player it is often hardly half of his market value. THAT does not make much sense. And "Transfer Deadline Day" is just a joke.

I had offers for my players for 1,5x of value aswell, and many offers where i would just laugh. But for me that is totally fine, cause i don’t feel offended of a low asking price.
An AI club wants to strike a good deal. They will try with other teams to and might be successful, if they need quick cash.

But again. It is 2 different people looking at the same thing and both come do a diffferent conclusion.

What should the mechanic be in the game?

(this would be my answer: if you can buy all players for market value, then this game would be nothing but a tycoon clicker game, where you just climb up the latter to get to the next milestone, with no risks and consideration of the next step.)

[JasseBasse]

@Nokia, no worries there mate, I get what you´re saying. And I agree with that. Really. I just don´t much see this in this game. Again, if you transferlist a player it is normal that bids that come in will be lower than players "value". Age obviously should also play a role. Older players naturally will be harder to get good ching for, and so on. What is not normal is those bids coming in being half of asking price. Now I dont claim that every bid is like that but pretty much most.
Offers of 1,5x of value of any of my players I have yet to see, and I have between my 2 saves played 5 seasons all in all.
And that is what I ment with deadline day being a joke. AI will come in for my players, not listed players, many times my best squad players, and offer 0,8x of their value. that is pretty far from 1,5x wouldnt you say? These offers are not even remotedly interesting and pretty far from me thinking "okey, why not, good money". Havent had one single offer of that sort.

To be fair I did see lower values offered, but ONLY those times that AI actually offered me a player. So, imho, transfers are a bit skewed in AIs favor.

[Nokia]

I agree, the transfers are in favor of the AI.
Its for the benefit of challenge, in my opinion.
I wouldn’t want to change it, if i could. It would be too easy. :-)

[МЁРТВОЕ]

If you want to sell smth useless on the deadline day - you need to buy smth useless before it :D So sign one more freetransfer player on each position (gk/d/mf/of) since this game gives you ability to retrain players its pretty easy. And put lowest rated in reserve squad. Then you could sell even your star players (not everyone ofc), your team on average wont be that much worse. Easy money.
p,s, i still wont sell star players ofc, ai will buy my second rated players regularly.

[JasseBasse]

This is what I mean: in my Tottenham save I put B Austin (24 yo goalie) on transfer list. His value is 1 mil.
Cardiff just came in with an offer, 420k. that is exactly 42% of the value.This is what I mean and call a joke.

[Nokia]

The good thing is: You can refuse the joke! :-)
Without even having to laugh. :-|

[fredingue]

Originally posted by Nokia:

I agree, the transfers are in favor of the AI.
Its for the benefit of challenge, in my opinion.
I wouldn’t want to change it, if i could. It would be too easy. :-)

that's why i make tests games, to see how the thing works.

here, i play with easy negociations, theey should be as easy as in pricing and in club will to sell and player to accept.

argument "if you ask for a player the team is not willing to sell, they will ask for more" is perfectly accurate, but, IMO, price should be more accurate according to the difficulty you set at start.

on the other hand, it is normal that some teams offer large amounts of money for young players that have high talent and allready good "realo level" and perks. in the real world, famous club frequently buy young talents at very high prices.