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TSW is one of the best train simulators, if not the best. It's strange that so many ppl know what DTG should or should not do. 'That they are only here for the money.' 'That they should offer it for free.' 'That they promised a lot.'
It should be nice if all those ppl would make a train simulator. To make a better game, of course for a lower price or for free.
Two new routes, two updated/revisioned routes, a training centre with some tracks and an update of the main game isnt't that bad. If you don't have the steam-route it's a very good choise.
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One of the best 'train simulators' is not a qualifier, considering there are few to start with.
And TSW is best known as a 'train game' with flashy graphics and a token effort on the simulation side.
Not best known as a [i']train simulator'[/i] when compared to DRS, Run8, Zusi 3 and a few others that surpass it in that respect. It does not simulate many of the train/railway systems present in them or does it in a sporadic manner depending on pot luck of the route, loco and rolling stock in use at the time.
Really? maybe you can compare for us.. here is my opinion...
DRS: Diesel Railcar Simulator: $18, 2018,fictitious routes, 150 miles of track, Railworks graphics was better at beginings, has good physics.
it is not at the level of train simulator with massive content. maybe someday. there is nothing to keep you playing "yet".
Zusi 3 : $70, 2019, less graphics than TSC let alone TSW Series. 10 routes, dlc? non existent.. buggy.. English? Aerosoft game managing over Dovetail? really?
Run 8 train Simulator: $50, a slight better than TSC level Graphics, multiplayer, servers, pay for trains, pay for cars, pay for routes, limited routes for YEARS now.
Bugs obviously, Their biggest fault is "website design" for potential buyers in my opinion.. still not fixed for modern days. They really need to expand to Steam, stays below the radar. wish them well "eventually" , becoming something special. Wish they had a larger studio.
Latest version 2022: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va6wqBggNuk
Trainz: 70.00 new release again 2022, same buy to get more stuff principal, doesn't feel as good as TSC or TSW releases to me, buggy.
Like it or not... Railworks still leads the way..
I am SURE you will correct me... you seem to be a anti-TS anything by Dovetail.. just an observation ..
OMG!!!!!, its you again. You are not here for a debate, you are here to argue. Someone pass me the fly spray.
A Swatter might be more in line for some.. but I digress, it is a forum for discussion..
I don't see me arguing.. but agreeing with the OP... and asking you to clarify the better of all these you mentioned.. you know for the fans... you still don't see it do you? shame
Loud buzzing, think I need the extra strong spray.
another words..you are just tossing out names of "other" Train games but cannot defend their existence over Dovetail train Simulators.. gotcha.. have a cookie skippy..
'have a cookie skippy' What time warp do you come from?
Did you not have the fly spray!!
Oh no, not sniffing it again. Your Mum told you it was bad for you. Stunts your growth in more then one way.
It seems to me that it's the other way around MugHug.
You sure have the right to post here in the discussions almost everywhere youre opinion on TSW and DTG. But FubyDoo has also the right to give his opinion. Specially if done in a polite and documented way. It doesn't seem to me that FubyDoo is only here to argue. He only gave his reaction on your, in his and mine opinion, incorrect statement.
The last part of your reaction isn't to the point and not very nice.
By the way, do you remember this:
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Recommended
65.4 hrs on record (18.0 hrs at review time)
Reviewed by a casual train sim fan and currently using the CSX Heavy Haul and Great Western Express items. Overall I find TSW a worthy buy.
Graphically, it is a large step above Train Simulator and it is easier to feel immersed in the sim. The audio is very effective and adds to the fun but lacks the untidy noise one would normally hear. The scenery close to the track is pretty good but some areas seem to have received more TLC then others while trackside it is just too clean. Overall the scenery seems a little too quiet and sterile and not very alive.
DTG seem to still be learning how best to use the new SimuGraph® vehicle dynamics engine and Unreal Engine 4® technology and it appears that as each new DLC is developed they will become more skilled and the standard of the DLC will rise. It appears that the SimuGraph® vehicle dynamics engine used to simulate the trains is still a work in progress and will be for quite a while. There also seems to be no mention by DTG, at this time of Steam locomotives coming to TSW.
It does seem that DTG's agenda is to push out DLC on a frequent basis and either chase up outstanding bugs later or just forget them. That approach does seem to be a point of concern and one that they were called out for in Train Simulator. It just seems too early to know if TSW is a step up over Train Simulator in every aspect or not.
How well TSW simulates the Diesel engines and hauling rolling stock around is difficult for me to say, as I have no real world experience of such. But growing up on MSTS, Train Simulator and Run8, I find the experience feels pretty good and I can recommend it.
So overall, I give TSW the thumbs up and if DTG continues to improve TSW and stand behind it, It will remain a favorite of mine and I will invest more money in additional routes.
Posted 3 July, 2018.
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What happend that changed your opinion after playing Trainsimulator (around 1000 hours on steam) and TSW (around 100 hours)? Both simulators are made by DTG.
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Maybe you could stick to the subject of this discussion?
Was trying to, until irritates like you and Fu came along.
And another private profile!!
I'll give this one a go. See, I am not anti-TS, in fact Train Simulator (Classic) is my most played game not just on steam, but on any platform, over 1000 hours which is a small amount actually compared to some players out there. So I would even say that I am a fan of TS and no one can argue that Dovetail games haven't given many of us countless hours of enjoyment (and of course, frustration lol) with their products.
As a result of my time with TS Classic, I, like many others were very excited when they made the leap into something new. Train Sim World. It was to be the train simulator to end all other train simulators. It was to be the future of the genre and you know what, for a while it sure did seem like it was heading in that direction...
The problem(s) that a lot of people have are not the pricing of the product. It's the lies of the developer. It's the fact that we have been promised many things that haven't happened the way we were told they were going to. Not just once, but repeatedly.
Train Sim World...
Where is the editor that was promised for years? The editor that they showed off on streams and told us good progress was being made... Where is it? Surely they knew, all those years ago that they wouldn't be able to deliver it because of "licencing" issues, as they claim. Don't DTG have a legal team that would have known what they were and were not allowed to do with an Unreal Engine licence?
Where is the multiplayer? "Train Sim World will absolutely have multiplayer". So, where is it?
Honestly, I can do without multiplayer in my train simulation, but I can understand why some people may have decided to pick up the game on the promise of it eventually coming. So, what? Those people were sold a lie.
The editor is different. The longevity and a lot of the success of Train Sim Classic has been because of the editor, even if it was frustrating to use sometimes. So, many like myself who have wasted many an hour editing in Classic were rightly excited to be able to do it in Train Sim World, a whole new engine with modern graphics and a friendlier interface... a tempting prospect and a very effective lure. So, Where is the editor? Yeah, those people were sold a lie.
Train Sim World 2...
So, the first one didn't work out. Wasn't the train simulator to end all train simulators and wasn't the future of the genre because we needed an engine change... Development ceased for Train Sim World and it was left to rot, bugs and missing features and all.
But that's ok... because you were getting (almost) all your dlc transferred to TSW2 as long as you were willing to pay the entry fee and this time... This time we'll definitely get everything we're promised. No more lying, DTG are playing for keeps this time, it's a brand new era of the development team being honest and clear with the community. So what could go wrong?
Blatant lies about bugs seen live on stream? Surely not? Except... Yes, sadly.
More broken promises? Surely not? Except... Yes, sadly.
Another game that was supposed to be the future of Train Simulation and a chance for DTG to redeem themselves even but a little, abandoned... Surely not? Except... Yes, sadly.
So, Where is the dynamic sky that was promised for Train Sim World 2, that was literally on their bullet point of incoming features in the very first Q&A for TSW2? Where is it? Yeah it doesn't exist... But it will... in TSW3.
Where are the improvements to the scenario planner (an extremely poor substitute for an actual editor I might add) that were promised for Train Sim World 2? Where is "Scenario Planner 2.0" that was promised on the roadmap for ages...? Yeah, also doesn't exist. Presumably because they needed to free up those developmental resources to focus on getting Train Sim World 3 out of the door...
I think we all know that anything promised for TSW2 that hasn't already been made available will never see the light of day, I mean... They are pulling the base game of TSW2 from sale, so they're not likely to do anything more with a product that they aren't selling, are they? Would you? Nope... Didn't think so...
Now it's time for Train Sim World 3. The future of train simulation... Again, again.
I could buy it, sure and maybe I will get what was supposed to be in Train Sim World... or Train Sim World 2, but to do that I would have to spend money (Yes I'm aware I could wait for a sale yadda yadda) on three routes that I don't really care about... and if I wait until there is a route I care about, then that means I would have to buy the package of three routes I don't give a stuff about plus buy the one that I actually want. Isn't that something?
It's funny... you know. Over the years I've seen a lot of people make threads such as "A MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF DLC LOL?!" Yeah, you know those sorts of troll threads that most people ignore... But It's worth reading them, actually. You see most people reply with good, sound logic such as "Well, you don't have to buy any dlc if you don't want to, only buy the ones you like."
only buy the ones you like.
But it's not entirely true is it... I mean it is, but it also isn't? Weird, right? The thing is, if I want to see any more bug fixes or improvements, if I want to (maybe) see some of the features promised to me two games ago for the content that I have already bought... Then I do have to buy dlc that I don't want in order to even have a chance of that. I could just ignore TSW3, sure. Of course I don't have a guy holding a gun to my head forcing me to buy it, I know that, but surely, someone... anyone reading this can understand what I'm getting it, At least I hope so.
In regards to what is supposed to be improved with TSW3 I am not so impressed with what I have seen this far. Where is this so called improved lighting? All they have shown so far that's different about the lighting is the lens adaptation when entering/leaving a tunnel... Is that really all? If the lighting is so much better then how is it that DTG are still making the exact same lighting mistake that they've been making for over a decade... In that somehow train headlights are still illuminating the ground in front of them in broad daylight? It's absurd. Third party developers worked out how to do that right in TS Classic years ago...
They can't even get British signalling right. Where are the approach control signals on the Brighton Main Line? It's things like this that need work. Not eye adaptation to lighting. If they can't even get these basic fundamentals of the railway of their home country right, then I have little hope of any more/better simulation type aspects being done correctly such as a working Ebula or even a vaguely working GSM-R.
@FubyDoo ...
Yes, those other train simulators sure aren't lookers...
Diesel Railcar Sim is made by a single developer and it's his first game to boot... and funnily enough his game has features that were supposed to be in train sim world and his game isn't even technically out yet...
Zusi 3 looks terrible, but it's probably the most advanced simulation you can get. So good in fact that DB themselves and a few other operators use the Professional version in their own simulators for driver training. Any stock, routes or improvements that get added to the product are done so for free... So, bonus points for that?
Run8 I have very little knowledge of, but it is consistently praised by real life drivers, excuse me... Engineers for how good the simulation is. It has good working multiplayer that people seem to enjoy, So, I guess it at least has that going for it.
Trainz, Yeah, I'll admit I don't like it. It's not really a train driving sim, anyway, but if you wanna make yourself some routes and watch you some trains driving those routes, then It's good for that, but yeah, not a driving simulator.
But you know what all of these other titles have going for them that is a true positive? None of them are developed by Dovetail Games... Or rather it's more fair to say Dovetail Games as they exist today... And that's actually kind of a sad thing to say.
PS. Sorry for a huge post, not trying to troll or anything with this, just wanted to share what I think. Thanks for reading.
you really need to read slower and figure out the world does not hate you.. all I ASKED for was a clear reasoning of the titles you put out as better.. I showed my opinion.. if this irritates you, I have no idea how you survive in the real world.. it is called "discussions" and we don't all have to sit around agreeing with one another.. maybe it will be a growing experience for you.. bless your heart..