Fish Hook "pity system" sounds like a mistake

[elite outsider]

The entire game is about probabilities and RNG. Why does the fish hook get a special advantage over other things?

If we're just placating people who complain, give me a constantly rising chance to find pumpkin as well. Make it so my 25% crit chance character can't go more than 4 attacks without critting too.

Seems like a waste of time. Too much focus on fish hook from streamers and youtubers showing off builds they rerolled 25 times to get.

[elite outsider]

'Barnacle: now has the "XP Gain" tag, can't appear for Baby anymore'

So if I want to play endless with Baby and get this item later, now I can't. But every character still constantly finds Esty's couch, ricochet etc in their shops. Any good run has to eventually take unique/limited items they don't really care about, just to smooth out the shop - that's a part of playing the game well. But if you complain about specific cases we'll add rules to make this simpler just for you!

Doesn't seem wise. Panicking because people noticed how different the shop behaves now with the larger item pool? Most people aren't finding that so stressful that they need nudge patches..

[Bumc]

Does not matter in the big picture and quells the yelling a bit if they get annoyed by that.
Changes seem fine even if its just symptomatic treatment.

[Broseidon]

did you miss the "banned items can appear again after wave 20 in endless" or do you just like complaining? your endless baby can get barnacle.

i like the hook change, my record is 28 locks without an item cursing.

[elite outsider]

okay so that's what they mean by banned, wasn't sure!
still not great - rather buy it earlier on when it's cheaper given that i'm going for endless

but yeah it's the steam forums and you guys are continually coping so sure i like to complain

thanks for telling me about how you kept an item locked for 28 waves waiting for fish hook to trigger instead of making better choices, really makes me value your opinion

[Spawnling]

Originally posted by elite outsider:

okay so that's what they mean by banned, wasn't sure!
still not great - rather buy it earlier on when it's cheaper given that i'm going for endless

but yeah it's the steam forums and you guys are continually coping so sure i like to complain

thanks for telling me about how you kept an item locked for 28 waves waiting for fish hook to trigger instead of making better choices, really makes me value your opinion

Well, if you want to go for some funny famer in endless and need that Hoodie cursed for +4-5% attack speed per dodge to get your fruit farms going to counter the 20% farming loss... ^^

[Daremo]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3369435806

That's not baby with sticks. Since apparently it doesn't count.

The R3 is for 3 restarts of wave 20 because I litteraly never had to deal with that wave for more than a few seconds.

If a decent player can deal with surviving wave 20 in only 4 tries, I think it's not that hard and doesn't need to be made easier.

Should I do other weapons ?

[midori]

mf not only watching ppl stream brotato but watching youtube videos about it. It ain't that deep dawg.

[Daremo]

Feels like elite outsides should stop playing the game.
A good break.

[B the Self]

Originally posted by elite outsider:

'Barnacle: now has the "XP Gain" tag, can't appear for Baby anymore'

So if I want to play endless with Baby and get this item later, now I can't. But every character still constantly finds Esty's couch, ricochet etc in their shops. Any good run has to eventually take unique/limited items they don't really care about, just to smooth out the shop - that's a part of playing the game well. But if you complain about specific cases we'll add rules to make this simpler just for you!

Doesn't seem wise. Panicking because people noticed how different the shop behaves now with the larger item pool? Most people aren't finding that so stressful that they need nudge patches..

all banned items appear normally after wave 20 (endless)

[jalpseon]

People like you always ruin the quality of the game for others, if you don't like QoL features and additions that make the gameplay more consistent, user-accessible and enjoyable, then either don't utilize it or go to the accessibility settings and crank up your enemy stats past 100. You sound like those stuck up 182% run players on that Discord who would like their preferential style [read: unappealing] superimposed on the general masses. Not everyone likes to play like that.

[elite outsider]

Originally posted by jalpseon:

People like you always ruin the quality of the game for others, if you don't like QoL features and additions that make the gameplay more consistent, user-accessible and enjoyable, then either don't utilize it or go to the accessibility settings and crank up your enemy stats past 100. You sound like those stuck up 182% run players on that Discord who would like their preferential style [read: unappealing] superimposed on the general masses. Not everyone likes to play like that.

actually i just made a thread about how i think the fish hook change is a mistake

i'm allowed to do that

if you have a problem with some discord people or whatever, that's for you to deal with and me to not be aware of, ideally

[Jaasrg]

Originally posted by jalpseon:

People like you always ruin the quality of the game for others, if you don't like QoL features and additions that make the gameplay more consistent, user-accessible and enjoyable, then either don't utilize it or go to the accessibility settings and crank up your enemy stats past 100. You sound like those stuck up 182% run players on that Discord who would like their preferential style [read: unappealing] superimposed on the general masses. Not everyone likes to play like that.

Close, he's an endless player so same kind of "game should be balanced around these few items".

[elite outsider]

i've never said the game should be balanced around endless. i've made threads where i explained exactly what i think, and people reply with smarmy one-liners and "i couldnt read all the words but youre wrong"

you get out of it what you put into it. if you can't be bothered reading 300 words you'll be stuck in the world of misunderstanding and making stuff up forever. nobody serious will engage with you and your words won't impact anything other than your post count.

this thread has basically two arguments, one about the fish hook change and the other about the jellyfish change. i don't like the two changes so i'm explaining why, other people think this game can do no wrong so they say bad things to me instead of arguing with what i'm saying. very boring frankly.

doesn't it bother you to reply to things with "he's an endless player" ? makes you look insecure.

Originally posted by Daremo:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3369435806

That's not baby with sticks. Since apparently it doesn't count.

The R3 is for 3 restarts of wave 20 because I litteraly never had to deal with that wave for more than a few seconds.

If a decent player can deal with surviving wave 20 in only 4 tries, I think it's not that hard and doesn't need to be made easier.

Should I do other weapons ?

your build is struggling on wave 20 because you have less than 40 hp and negative speed. hope this helps you on your journey to becoming a better player.

once you really learn the game you will be able to make builds that always win 20 waves with no retries pretty easily, because you won't blatantly neglect stats you need and play around wave retries. unless you try playing truly weak characters like gangster, baby without sticks, etc. then you can post some truly impressive screenshots!

[test]

i think most people play endless

[B the Self]

Originally posted by jalpseon:

People like you always ruin the quality of the game for others, if you don't like QoL features and additions that make the gameplay more consistent, user-accessible and enjoyable, then either don't utilize it or go to the accessibility settings and crank up your enemy stats past 100. You sound like those stuck up 182% run players on that Discord who would like their preferential style [read: unappealing] superimposed on the general masses. Not everyone likes to play like that.

I'm with you on here QoL changes are usually pretty welcome and these elitist players should just go and play at 200% and get it over with
of course game is going to be much easier if you have 400 hours already