I think Curse ruins Endless

[elite outsider]

You can't avoid building up curse and you can't ever decrease it.

On high curse value, enemies outscale what even the most cracked set of items can do. You end up hitting the point where only exploding fruit can do anything much earlier. The 1fps slideshow begins in earlier waves than it used to.

Agree/disagree? Someone with over an 80 wave run tell me what I'm missing?

I think the abyssal items make it much easier to assemble all the key red items before wave 30, but they don't offer much in the way of infinite scaling (except the new robot arm and bone dice, both are pretty minor).

Before you reply: I realize endless isn't "supposed to work" and it's meant to be impossible. Just interested to know if anyone has a hot tip on what to do regardless.

[BigScug A.K.A Heroic Mr. Piss]

I think the only fixes are 1. Use a curse scaling character or 2. Axolotl red item. Once curse is just too strong, then buy it and it'll go back to manageable

[elite outsider]

yeah axolotl on curse could work, but it would have to get really really high to become the highest. if you wanted to do this multiple times you would have to survive until curse is the single highest stat again in order to swap it...

i'm hitting around 1k curse while i have like 5k+ in other stats (out of necessity), so it would take like literally hundreds of hours of slideshow for it to catch up and pass them if it ever could

when you say curse scaling character do you just mean creature?
all it gives is +35% of curse as damage, it's like nail/frozenheart, i don't think this will make enough of a difference

[BigScug A.K.A Heroic Mr. Piss]

Creature, sailor, and one more i think. Maybe not. I'm not an endless player so i wouldn't know any other fixes. Sorry.

[Bumc]

Can axolotl even proc on curse?

[BigScug A.K.A Heroic Mr. Piss]

Originally posted by Bumc:

Can axolotl even proc on curse?

I think it does. I picked it up and switched something with curse.

[Vlady]

Here's a hint to get even more OP:
Cursed items are stronger than normal items, it the same for limited or unique items.
With 5 normal coupons you get a -25% price, with 5 cursed ones you could get up to -55%.

So basically get every normal cursed item you can and when you get unique/limited ones unless they're cursed (or useless post 20) reroll and ignore them.

[elite outsider]

Originally posted by Vlady:

Here's a hint to get even more OP:
Cursed items are stronger than normal items, it the same for limited or unique items.
With 5 normal coupons you get a -25% price, with 5 cursed ones you could get up to -55%.

So basically get every normal cursed item you can and when you get unique/limited ones unless they're cursed (or useless post 20) reroll and ignore them.

yeah, that's obvious, but you can't do that with everything unless you get some nice lucky fish hooks within the first 20 waves...need "some" economy items and other things to accelerate a lot within the early game

you can tunnelvision with fish hook to make sure all the key red items get cursed, and your weapon set ... and occasionally other stuff, but not EVERYTHING - it simply slows you down too much relative to how things grow wave by wave against you in endless

what's your record in abyssal? are you overcoming cursed enemies in 80+?

[Vlady]

Originally posted by elite outsider:

Originally posted by Vlady:

Here's a hint to get even more OP:
Cursed items are stronger than normal items, it the same for limited or unique items.
With 5 normal coupons you get a -25% price, with 5 cursed ones you could get up to -55%.

So basically get every normal cursed item you can and when you get unique/limited ones unless they're cursed (or useless post 20) reroll and ignore them.

yeah, that's obvious, but you can't do that with everything unless you get some nice lucky fish hooks within the first 20 waves...need "some" economy items and other things to accelerate a lot within the early game

what's your record in abyssal? are you overcoming cursed enemies in 80+?

Can't check right now cuz I'm on another run right now, but I think I already surpassed that point earlier, even tho it was kinda slow at times, will update ya later.

[Vlady]

81 right now, things are going pretty smoothly, enemies melt like butter in an oven.

[elite outsider]

awesome. what character and weapons?

[Vlady]

Originally posted by elite outsider:

awesome. what character and weapons?

The only char viable for endless: Demon with 6 potato throwers.
Wave 106 right now.

[Vlady]

Also remember that cursed mirrors stack (the -xx% price stacks too) so if you find a few random cursed mirrors the then you can buy an item for free.

Example: Let's say you've a 50% base discount and 20 for each cursed mirror.
If you find a cursed mirror you get to 70%, then find another normal one, you still stay at 70% but the next bought item isn't gonna be x2 but x3, then you find in the shop a cursed mirror and buy it spending some coin and you gain its effects x 3, then the price becomes -110% (50+20*3) so the next item bought is gonna cost only 1 and its gonna be an x 4.

At this point you can either look for a nice stacking item, or just keep on stacking cursed mirrors (if they're not cursed the trick doesn't work, if can keep on getting normal ones via chests, but if you buy a normal one, even if you keep the multiplier, you lose the discount since that comes from the cursed ones), cuz from this point on they're all gonna cost one and you can keep on stacking x 5, x 6, x 7 and so on while the price will remain 1 (cuz discount will keep on increasing past 100%).

Ofc all of this works only for 1 bought item later on.
I'm at wave 127 and got luckily 2 cursed mirrors in the same wave via chests and the price instantly dropped to 1, then i kept on buying them in the shop and got to 7 and bought a cursed leaf x 7 for only 1 hp.

[Bumc]

can attest, demon with potato launchers is the easy mode in endless even after I trolled the build and axolotl'd health into ranged damage.

[elite outsider]

yeah figures it's demon, i don't think any other character can do what it can. you probably go ghost scepters off the start?

i feel like loud is a bit easier to set up in the first 20 waves but maybe i'm wrong on that too

grats on the nice run, and yeah cursed mirrors are crazy. probably need both spyglasses and every bunny to be cursed as well, but i usually cheap out on some of those in the early waves

what kind of attackspeed and knockback are you hitting on 106+?
knockback is kind of silly because so many enemies ignore it even though it's one of the emphasized new mechanics...sigh
someone will quote me and nitpick that. pretend i typed newly emphasized mechanics.

[Vlady]

WAVE 141
134193 HP
11931 HP REGEN
7782 LIFESTEAL
40676 DMG
11277 MELEE DMG
451 RANGED DMG
518 ELEMENTAL DMG
6175 ATK SPEED
1480 CRIT
11809 ENGINEERING
4911 RANGE
7618 ARMOR
1029 DODGE
489 SPEED
10335 LUCK
1 HARVESTING

Those are my current main stats, as of now I didn't lose yet, but took a break to play other games.

Also I totally ignore knockback, enemies die too fast xD