some thoughts on the beta.

[Your Majesty Padded Gamer]

The new baby character is completely and totally OP as balls. I mean just use stick and you will be doing 200+ damage in endless mode. This character dominates the battlefield, its just a comically broken version of multitasker that needs some sort of downside to go with the amount of weapons you have. And increasing the amount of XP needed, is not a good enough downside as there are literally tons of items that can increase your XP gains, not to mention the tea you unlock after you win as this character.

Why doesn't mage get fireball as a starting weapon? I really love this comically busted item but for some idiotic reason, you don't get to start with fireball as this character. I realize this is a beta, but come on this is the dumbest mistake by far in the beta. This dude is a MAGE what part of that did the devs not understand? That's like if a wizard character in an RPG didn't start with a fireball spell of some sort. It takes the fun of seeing how far you can go with this weapon, as it's up to total RNG weather or not you get the new meta item.

Vagabond is trash. I'm sorry but his ability is complete and total crap. It's useless, these set bonuses are not enough to make up for his drawbacks. Maybe if you went back to the drawing board and added onto his ability, two times set bonuses or something it might be useful. Or have it so that when you level up, your set bonuses scale very slowly. Either way, it would make this character not just have all downsides with zero upsides.

Again I know this is a beta but come on devs, did you even playtest this DLC at all? No wonder it's a free version, right now I'd feel kinda ripped off if I paid for it with the lack of balancing that makes this game what it is.

[Butch]

Vagabond requires some game knowledge and getting a diverse set of items.
It can be strong if you know what to do.

[DarkFury]

I think the stick bonus should be limited to the standard 6 weapons... its really stupid right now :D

[AN]

You can't judge baby, or multitasker, based on just the stick build. It's a single player game, and it's fine if you want to have a brain dead run. It is Not fine to ruin every other way to play the character because you "balanced" it around the one OP meme build.

Might as well "balance" farmer by assuming they go pruner and make them unplayable in every other scenario.

[Your Majesty Padded Gamer]

Originally posted by AN:

You can't judge baby, or multitasker, based on just the stick build. It's a single player game, and it's fine if you want to have a brain dead run. It is Not fine to ruin every other way to play the character because you "balanced" it around the one OP meme build.

Might as well "balance" farmer by assuming they go pruner and make them unplayable in every other scenario.

Yes, but the multitasker has a -5 percent damage downside and you can only have up to 12 weapons. Meaning that it's not a "free win brain dead" build. You lose 60 percent damage on multitasker, which is why you can't just turn your brain off and win.

baby has the downside of "oh no I don't get any stats when I level up, whatever will I do? Oh yeah just do 200+ damage to everything on the map and turn my brain off completely."

So no I'm not saying balance it around the OP meme build, I'm saying that it needs a better downside then just no stats. Because honestly if you gave this character SMG it would be broken, or god forbid 24 rocket launchers, or nuke launchers with a couple shedders mixed in. I can see a ton of ways to break the game with this character right now and your argument thus is invalid.

[Your Majesty Padded Gamer]

Originally posted by Butch:

Vagabond requires some game knowledge and getting a diverse set of items.
It can be strong if you know what to do.

I highly doubt that, but eah, maybe I haven't given it enough of a chance. I just feel like set bonuses in this game are highly weak, and barely give you enough stats to justify it. And because you can't equip two of the same weapon, you had better pray to RNGesus that you get some already level up weapons and boost your luck stat(which barely affects the shop RNG in the slightest.)

[Error404]

I think the problem with Vagabond that it's downsides are extreme(-5 Armor is really harsh).

But if you want a BAD character, check out the Vampire.

[B the Self]

Originally posted by DarkFury:

I think the stick bonus should be limited to the standard 6 weapons... its really stupid right now :D

my guy just dont use sticks, he got buffed baby can use pretty much anything, won first d5 without sticks , easy

[AN]

Originally posted by Your Majesty Padded Gamer:

Originally posted by AN:

You can't judge baby, or multitasker, based on just the stick build. It's a single player game, and it's fine if you want to have a brain dead run. It is Not fine to ruin every other way to play the character because you "balanced" it around the one OP meme build.

Might as well "balance" farmer by assuming they go pruner and make them unplayable in every other scenario.

Yes, but the multitasker has a -5 percent damage downside and you can only have up to 12 weapons. Meaning that it's not a "free win brain dead" build. You lose 60 percent damage on multitasker, which is why you can't just turn your brain off and win.

baby has the downside of "oh no I don't get any stats when I level up, whatever will I do? Oh yeah just do 200+ damage to everything on the map and turn my brain off completely."

So no I'm not saying balance it around the OP meme build, I'm saying that it needs a better downside then just no stats. Because honestly if you gave this character SMG it would be broken, or god forbid 24 rocket launchers, or nuke launchers with a couple shedders mixed in. I can see a ton of ways to break the game with this character right now and your argument thus is invalid.

No, dude, you've adopted nonesense scenarios and put them forth as reasonable, go back to reddit with your dorkass parlance. The very concept that you'd be able afford 24 nuke launchers is idiotic at best; everything you've proposed is completely unreasonable and invalid. Baby isn't even the way to get high scores, that's still demon; you're just too invested in your rabid nonsense and ignoring the reality of the game's economy and the limitations it imposes.

[La Ley Innata]

I played baby with different weapons to get more bonus for having 6 of a certain type, I thought about using sticks but I didn't want to abuse a broken mechanic. Sticks are the issue, baby already has already a big downside, no level up stats.

Fireball is a tier 2 weapon, characters usually don't start with weapons higher than tier 1. It kinda sucks to no have it but hey, it's more special when you finally get it.

Vagabond seemed pretty okay to me, +15 health, some armor, dodge, critic and damage. You can get 6 full bonuses pretty early on and I felt like I was too tanky for that point of the game, with medieval and idk if it was blunt or what other set bonus you already have positive armor, and the +15 health from primitive is so good.

I really liked the balance of this free update, I think they really made a good job. Also, I play at level 5 100% difficulty, in case someone asks about it.

[AN]

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[AN]

Anyway. For everyone else who might not understand, you are giving up 30+ ranged damage(or equivalent) in free stats for the privilege of paying 4 times more on weapons, making you even farther behind on having a functional character that can actually use those weapons effectively, or survive in any way. This is a game about managing economy once you've gotten basic movement down, and baby does not have infinite economy. They were buffed with the price decrease after their initial release for a reason.

In order to understand a character's power level you have to understand them within the context of the game's economic progression, and view these things without getting deep, deep in your feelings about your initial, unconsidered impression.

[B the Self]

Originally posted by AN:

Originally posted by Your Majesty Padded Gamer:

Yes, but the multitasker has a -5 percent damage downside and you can only have up to 12 weapons. Meaning that it's not a "free win brain dead" build. You lose 60 percent damage on multitasker, which is why you can't just turn your brain off and win.

baby has the downside of "oh no I don't get any stats when I level up, whatever will I do? Oh yeah just do 200+ damage to everything on the map and turn my brain off completely."

So no I'm not saying balance it around the OP meme build, I'm saying that it needs a better downside then just no stats. Because honestly if you gave this character SMG it would be broken, or god forbid 24 rocket launchers, or nuke launchers with a couple shedders mixed in. I can see a ton of ways to break the game with this character right now and your argument thus is invalid.

No, dude, you've adopted nonesense scenarios and put them forth as reasonable, go back to reddit with your dorkass parlance. The very concept that you'd be able afford 24 nuke launchers is idiotic at best; everything you've proposed is completely unreasonable and invalid. Baby isn't even the way to get high scores, that's still demon; you're just too invested in your rabid nonsense and ignoring the reality of the game's economy and the limitations it imposes.

you my man you're based, best answer I have ever seen in my life related to gaming, they have to realize that some weapons are op some aren't... like its a single player gameee , who cares

[Butch]

Game isn't balanced around endless.
Endless is for people with too much free time.

And baby isn't the strongest character in the new beta.
It's glutton.

[La Ley Innata]

I find it really funny that he's talking about balance and he doesn't have any idea about the balance of the game