Jack is garbage

[Α Man]

Seriously i just want to vent for this.

After 9 hours of losing stupidity straight on (he is my last char to win on d0) even with great builds with high hp/dmg/ armor/dodge (because apparently even a fart can kill you 2 shots)
I took down the stats to 25% in dificulty and jeez. He is garbage even in boss killing.
I droped cause i was tired but even at boss killing with all lvl 3 weapons or a mix of lvl 3 and lvl 4 he is freaking garbage.

Of course someone will try troll me here "oooo i like him, he is very good actually" NO HE IS NOT, DONT PROJECT YOUR TRAUMATIC CHILDHOOOD TO UUUUSSS

[ola.lilliehook]

yee zee の投稿を引用：

sounds like a skill issue to me

Everyone els was a walk in the park compared to jack and even on the highest difficulty..
And thank your mom for the sandwich..
Maybe it would bin slightly easier on my gaming pc with 165hz screen but I'm to lazy, this is the perfect game on SteamDeck.

[Shbnfc]

I recorded a run of D5 141% with Jack. Because maybe a full run is useful for someone. But I guess it really comes down to a lot of game knowledge to understand which items you can pick and what risks you can take, which is hard to just understand from seeing one set of RNG. I tried to get extra resources in level 7 but didn't manage to pull off the bonuses. I got lucky against the second elite/played poorly.

https://youtu.be/pkfWt6YhR44

[Sanzor]

Although Jack is a bit of a weird character, he just feels flawed on the lower levels. His main damage bonus is vs. Elites, which you'll barely see and you're usually screwed especially on weapons if RNG just doesn't like you at all.

[HeraldOfOpera]

Sanzor の投稿を引用：

Although Jack is a bit of a weird character, he just feels flawed on the lower levels. His main damage bonus is vs. Elites, which you'll barely see and you're usually screwed especially on weapons if RNG just doesn't like you at all.

By the way, said damage bonus is lower than the inherent enemy HP increase he also has.

[thunda]

HeraldOfOpera の投稿を引用：

Sanzor の投稿を引用：

Although Jack is a bit of a weird character, he just feels flawed on the lower levels. His main damage bonus is vs. Elites, which you'll barely see and you're usually screwed especially on weapons if RNG just doesn't like you at all.

By the way, said damage bonus is lower than the inherent enemy HP increase he also has.

But you get way less enemies to deal with

[HeraldOfOpera]

thunda の投稿を引用：

HeraldOfOpera の投稿を引用：

By the way, said damage bonus is lower than the inherent enemy HP increase he also has.

But you get way less enemies to deal with

Exactly, so he's actually better at dealing with normal enemies than elites even with the explicit bonus damage to the latter.

[B the Self]

Go revolvers and easy

[Tokagero]

I was in the same spot as you. Couldn't win in D0 but then I saw someone mention that in D2+ there is no more hordes but only elites. I've defeated D2 in 1st try after countless defeat in D0.

[Iampostal]

I JUST SAID F IT AND TURNED EVERYTHING TO 25 PERSENT AND STILL BARELY WON

[[ATG] Derrick770]

Every single comment in this thread can go on and on about how he can be used in challenges and high difficulty when those have no bearing on the actual strength of the character. Let me put it this way, you can beat Dark Souls with your fists but just because you can does not mean the fists are a good weapon on par with other weapons in the game. Jack is exactly the same, you can do well with him but he is a fundamentally poor character whose downsides negate his upsides and is completely pigeon holed into one play style. All the arguments for him never actually talk about the character himself or his positives, just what people are able to do with him.

[Deathraven13]

ATG Derrick770 の投稿を引用：

Every single comment in this thread can go on and on about how he can be used in challenges and high difficulty when those have no bearing on the actual strength of the character. Let me put it this way, you can beat Dark Souls with your fists but just because you can does not mean the fists are a good weapon on par with other weapons in the game. Jack is exactly the same, you can do well with him but he is a fundamentally poor character whose downsides negate his upsides and is completely pigeon holed into one play style. All the arguments for him never actually talk about the character himself or his positives, just what people are able to do with him.

If people can do D5 182% then it's not the character that is bad so there would be no need to talk about it being strong or weak.

[crazytitan21]

I just had a D5 run with Jack and it was super easy with revolver as a starting weapon and ending on 4 plus 2 miniguns.

[AlyssaThalon]

Jack is very tough to run on the lower Danger Levels, seems to strangely get stronger the more danger he is in. Have tried Laser, Revolver, and Lance on D0 and failed to reach wave 10. Since just unlocked D3, have been able to reach mid teens with constancy.

[failsafe]

Lasers are okay. Same with revolwers, maybe coupled with med guns. Like 4 revs and 2 med guns.

[SaiColors]

He just easy lose the game if wave 11 elite. It's funny because he should be an elite killer.

But he just can't have the firepower and survivability at that point, unless you're very, very lucky.

I'll say the 50% more damage taken is a little too punish.