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Like Hunter doesn't feel strong, but surely when you just start crossbow and spam range, attack speed and more crossbows its more consistent than, say, Ghost or Arms Dealer. With Arms Dealer you can just have a bunch of dead shop in a row and lose a run on any wave.
One-armed you're maybe overestimating the baby with a beard relevance -- you can beat the game without it with enough damage even if you get overwhelmed a bit in the midgame. And as for weapon upgrades if you never pass Luck items in shop you're basically guaranteed to get them in reasonable timeframe.
Bull I haven't solved yet either, but apparently he's beatable without blood dono.
Arms Dealer, I just don't have enough experience with him. He could be an A for all I know, but right now, I'd put him at the top of C.
I wouldn't say that hunter or ranger are bad per se, but they are very squishy. I don't feel like putting them in the same tier as Saver or the new Gladiator and Farmer.
He doesn't need it per se, but he feels really weak without it. I have won with him without the item, but it is a game changer. He is definitely one of the weaker characters on D5.
Artificer is pretty much RNG, you either get your good explosive weapon in time or you're going to be pretty weak. The explosive starting weapons are quite bad.
If anyone has any feedback considering any more bad takes that I have and I will test them out and perhaps make further adjustments to the list.
First try just now, declined Blood Donation and not that lucky of a run either (until very late waves), still managed to survive 3 elites, kill 1 elite and 1 boss and clear D5 without really any issues.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNhwO2M3HZ4
I'm not sure Ghost is bottom tier, feels like a bunch of characters are clearly less consistent, and have less potential too, I had a 3 win streak on it last patch, and trying again just now I got another win first try. It feels like he's not that sensitive to item RNG, but of course, if you have extremely bad dodge RNG, you can still lose.
Ghost though 10% 3 times in a row and you're out.
I guess you guys are right. I never really play the character because he is so extremely boring. I was kind of hesitating to put more in the S++ tier because of the strength of the characters in there and having too many would dilute its meaning: however, after playing some Knight after reading the suggestion, I have to agree that he is S++. It's very hard to lose a run with the knight, I personally haven't apart from when I tried some meme weapon builds.
I do think my impression of several other characters being weaker and less consistent than Ghost may stem from my own poor understanding/strats on those characters.
Personally Farmer was my worst win %. I found him less consistent than everyone in your C list. I found I had to get certain items to have a chance.I haven't tried him on the beta yet, though. Edit: played him after his un-nerf on damage modifiers, and he seems to be about the right place in your list.
Arms Dealer feels in the right spot. He is by definition highly RNG. That said, I might just not have figured him out. I did start having better runs once I focused on melee OR ranged, didn't worry as much about how many weapons I got, and made sure I always had a matching weapon locked before the next round.
For me, Lucky, Entrepreneur, and Mage are a little higher, and for some reason I feel like I got bad RNG on generalist more than I expected. But yeah, most of the list matches what I've seen for D5 consistency.