Precise Items are so awful. Half damage base and no area. Want to lose? Pick them. And the Thief Dagger does nothing.

[FucT]

It's not even fun trying to play with an entire class of items that is so bad with no benefit. You can get 10% crit from a single item in the shop. 15% for 6 garbage items? No thanks.

[Figrin]

Precise weapons like Scissors, Thief Dagger, and Lightning Shiv are excellent. I have no clue what you are complaining about. Also, those items don't need as much base crit as they have an extra crit on them. Most only need you to get to about 50% base crit to be 100% crit.

[Jaasrg]

The objectively bad one is screwdriver, rest vary.

[thunda]

Originally posted by Figrin:

Precise weapons like Scissors, Thief Dagger, and Lightning Shiv are excellent. I have no clue what you are complaining about. Also, those items don't need as much base crit as they have an extra crit on them. Most only need you to get to about 50% base crit to be 100% crit.

Thief Dagger is not excellent lol

[Bumc]

Keep in mind that precise weapons have their own local +crit up to +50 on some of them. That 15% bonus is already 1/3 way to 50% which is all you need to cap crit.
Still not very exciting, but better than some set bonuses.

And yeah, thief dagger is a huge win-more thing.
Basically 1/2 damage of a regular knife bundled with a hunter's trophy that maybe someday makes up money you lost by having to compensate for the damage difference.

[Mr. J.D. Gumby]

Originally posted by Jaasrg:

The objectively bad one is screwdriver, rest vary.

You've never actually used it, then, at least in the current release where it scales 50% with both Melee Damage and Engineering. Does more than enough (unlike Wrenches) to let you move around the arena and kill stuff in your way while your massive minefields clear pretty much everything else.

[Johnson B. Tittywack]

Uhh I think the shuriken is borderline broken.

[FucT]

The slingshot literally does 3x more damage than the shuriken and has no condition to proc. The shuriken is trash.

[Mr. J.D. Gumby]

Originally posted by FucT:

The slingshot literally does 3x more damage than the shuriken and has no condition to proc. The shuriken is trash.

The Slingshot isn't Precise and it doesn't scale off of Melee Damage. They are completely different weapons for completely different builds.

[thunda]

Originally posted by Mr. J.D. Gumby:

Originally posted by FucT:

The slingshot literally does 3x more damage than the shuriken and has no condition to proc. The shuriken is trash.

The Slingshot isn't Precise and it doesn't scale off of Melee Damage. They are completely different weapons for completely different builds.

Still a bad weapon to be fair

[Bumc]

And the fact that shuriken is still playable points at how broken slingshot really is.

[General Frost]

Yeah have to say they are awful. Playing the generalist and you would think that they would be great as they have a good mix of range and melee and you can pick from 2 right at the start. Well i haven't won once with this setup and late waves become impossible to manage even with high armor and dodge. Just lost a game with nearly 40% crit, 8 armor, 30 some dodge, 10 or a little more life steal with 3 weapons maxed out and the other 3 purple. Got to the boss and could barely do damage and got over ran with adds. I have tried different strategies of stats all with the same outcome.

[Deathraven13]

Originally posted by General Frost:

Yeah have to say they are awful. Playing the generalist and you would think that they would be great as they have a good mix of range and melee and you can pick from 2 right at the start. Well i haven't won once with this setup and late waves become impossible to manage even with high armor and dodge. Just lost a game with nearly 40% crit, 8 armor, 30 some dodge, 10 or a little more life steal with 3 weapons maxed out and the other 3 purple. Got to the boss and could barely do damage and got over ran with adds. I have tried different strategies of stats all with the same outcome.

You don't need to kill the boss/es in order to win and I'll say don't go for crit, instead go for 60% dodge (that's the max). Lifesteal is better with fast weapons like the uzi/machine gun.

8 armor isn't a lot, with around 30 armor + some lofe regen you'll be good (and speed) but if you go lifesteal then just don't go below HP regen.

Yes sadly RNG play a big part in your build so if you are lucky you'll get an easy win and if you are very unlucky it will be harder to win but there is nothing we can do about it, hope that help.

[Chris Goddard]

Originally posted by thunda:

Originally posted by Figrin:

Precise weapons like Scissors, Thief Dagger, and Lightning Shiv are excellent. I have no clue what you are complaining about. Also, those items don't need as much base crit as they have an extra crit on them. Most only need you to get to about 50% base crit to be 100% crit.

Thief Dagger is not excellent lol

Just finished a D5 run on saver using thief dagger - last bosses didn't survive longer than 3 seconds each and no really OP items found

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2917397617

[Deathraven13]

Originally posted by Chris Goddard:

Just finished a D5 run on saver using thief dagger - last bosses didn't survive longer than 3 seconds each and no really OP items found

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2917397617

You even took the eyes wich I also tend to buy, well since you are clearly above in skills you can win with any weapons, but for newbies or average players they may find certain items bad.

I can win D5 runs with any weapons (or no weapons at all) so for high skilled players everything is fine.

[HeraldOfOpera]

Originally posted by Deathraven13:

Originally posted by Chris Goddard:

Just finished a D5 run on saver using thief dagger - last bosses didn't survive longer than 3 seconds each and no really OP items found

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2917397617

You even took the eyes wich I also tend to buy, well since you are clearly above in skills you can win with any weapons, but for newbies or average players they may find certain items bad.

I can win D5 runs with any weapons (or no weapons at all) so for high skilled players everything is fine.

Oh, so now you admit that skill exists.