Danger level 5 is unbeatable

[FireFox]

let me explain in danger level 5 there are spawning so many enemys plus horde waves and elite enemys it lags so much i sometimes play with 3 or 4 fps and in a game where a signle frame can make the difference between loosing 14 hp due to a single red dot and dodging that red dot and surviving is just awful and it lags even more when the enemys are getting buffed with the red aura ( i tried lowering the grafics in any way and stopped playing in fullscreen but nothing worked.
And those who think then just play 4 or 3 it is basicly the same and i just cant cuase i want to challange myself and become better every gmae and not get killed because i couldnt dodge something because of lags

[FireFox]

oh yeah i thinks its around 3 to 4 years old not older then 5

[FireFox]

i just dont understand how games like fortnite and rainbow six siege can work perfektly without lagging

[FireFox]

thats why i think its the game and nit my pc

[AN]

In some runs D3 and above will have a weird sliding lag similar to when I hit late game in vampire survivors and I can sometimes run right through obstacles and things, but instead of being unkillably invincible by the time it becomes a problem I just die within a few seconds because the input and display don't sync up. I'm running it on a 2020 "elite book" low end laptop, myself.

[Real Men Never Flush Twice]

The game is optimized really poorly, that's a known fact. There are loads of problems going on with the game right now, of which this is just one. I really hope it will get fixed, or else this will just end up on my early access trash pile with the others.

[The fog is coming]

skill issue

[Real Men Never Flush Twice]

Originally posted by Nerd Face:

skill issue

It depends. Since Danger 5 is 90% RNG right now he might just have very bad luck and lose almost all of his games because of that. I mean, the developer royally screwed up the balancing with his latest update. The game has become a lot worse since then. That also explains a lot of the mods, by the way. People are trying to fix the game where the developer kind of broke it.
But we'll see. Perhaps he can balance things out again in the next update and make it less of a gambling game and more of the rogue-lite it's supposed to be.

[Mr. J.D. Gumby]

Originally posted by Courtesy Flush:

Originally posted by Nerd Face:

skill issue

It depends. Since Danger 5 is 90% RNG right now

Only for bad players.

[Real Men Never Flush Twice]

Originally posted by Mr. J.D. Gumby:

Originally posted by Courtesy Flush:

It depends. Since Danger 5 is 90% RNG right now

Only for bad players.

Wow, the arrogance is dripping from you right now. There's loads of players out there uploading videos and streaming the game who are far superior to you. And guess what? They lose runs all the time because of RNG. It's a known issue. Acting as if you win 100% of your games because you're such a god is hilarious. If anything, it shows you are really bad at the game and you're overcompensating right now. Stop trolling and don't talk when you probably haven't even finished all characters on D5 yet. Sit down, boy.

[HighDensityLipo]

Originally posted by Courtesy Flush:

Originally posted by Mr. J.D. Gumby:

Only for bad players.

Wow, the arrogance is dripping from you right now. There's loads of players out there uploading videos and streaming the game who are far superior to you. And guess what? They lose runs all the time because of RNG. It's a known issue. Acting as if you win 100% of your games because you're such a god is hilarious. If anything, it shows you are really bad at the game and you're overcompensating right now. Stop trolling and don't talk when you probably haven't even finished all characters on D5 yet. Sit down, boy.

Courtney is the saddest boy in school. By the way, you finally stumbled upon a perfect example of strawman. Obviously op wasn't saying that this game has no rng, b/c that would be absurd. He is suggesting that long term practice and skill will prevail over rng/variance w/ a large enough sample. That is 100% true. You decided to strawman his argument by saying loads of superior streamers lose games all the time. So, if they are better than him and lose, then that means that rng is present. However, he never claimed that rng isn't present. By the way, you are the one that said that this game is 100% rng, so what do you meant that superior streamers are playing? How could anyone be superior if this is 100% rng? What dose superior mean if this game is 100% rng. Oh poor Courtney, this is getting sadder by the day.

[Real Men Never Flush Twice]

Originally posted by HighDensityLipo:

Originally posted by Courtesy Flush:

Wow, the arrogance is dripping from you right now. There's loads of players out there uploading videos and streaming the game who are far superior to you. And guess what? They lose runs all the time because of RNG. It's a known issue. Acting as if you win 100% of your games because you're such a god is hilarious. If anything, it shows you are really bad at the game and you're overcompensating right now. Stop trolling and don't talk when you probably haven't even finished all characters on D5 yet. Sit down, boy.

Courtney is the saddest boy in school. By the way, you finally stumbled upon a perfect example of strawman. Obviously op wasn't saying that this game has no rng, b/c that would be absurd. He is suggesting that long term practice and skill will prevail over rng/variance w/ a large enough sample. That is 100% true. You decided to strawman his argument by saying loads of superior streamers lose games all the time. So, if they are better than him and lose, then that means that rng is present. However, he never claimed that rng isn't present. By the way, you are the one that said that this game is 100% rng, so what do you meant that superior streamers are playing? How could anyone be superior if this is 100% rng? What dose superior mean if this game is 100% rng. Oh poor Courtney, this is getting sadder by the day.

Ah, How nice it must be to just state random things without any proof. Even better, if you look around at high profile players you'll see I'm actually correct. But forget about all of that and let's not worry about stupid things like facts, right? Let's instead just blindly assume that if people would continue to play this game on this version for 5 more years people would consistently win on D5 like they should in rogue-lite games. You know, like binding of isaac and slay the spire. Lol, keep dreaming, man.

Oh, and the irony of you falsely accusing me of strawmanning while you're the one doing exactly that in the very same message is not lost on me. You're trolling, right? Because no one is that stupid. Surely, you're not that stupid... Right... Oh dear...

(In case you really are serious and you just happen to have a below 80 IQ, you might wanna quote my 100% RNG. You might find it at one of my previous message up above where I said 90% RNG. I know scrolling and reading is hard at your mental level, but let's just try to pull through, shall we?

[thunda]

Originally posted by Courtesy Flush:

Originally posted by Mr. J.D. Gumby:

Only for bad players.

Wow, the arrogance is dripping from you right now. There's loads of players out there uploading videos and streaming the game who are far superior to you. And guess what? They lose runs all the time because of RNG. It's a known issue. Acting as if you win 100% of your games because you're such a god is hilarious. If anything, it shows you are really bad at the game and you're overcompensating right now. Stop trolling and don't talk when you probably haven't even finished all characters on D5 yet. Sit down, boy.

I counted 15 classes who I have around 90% win rate with in D5. Rest are mid tier and low tier classes who need better luck to win with.

So if I play those 15 classes I dont lose runs all the time, I rarely lose at all. The issue is class balance, not that D5 is too hard.

[Real Men Never Flush Twice]

Originally posted by thunda:

Originally posted by Courtesy Flush:

Wow, the arrogance is dripping from you right now. There's loads of players out there uploading videos and streaming the game who are far superior to you. And guess what? They lose runs all the time because of RNG. It's a known issue. Acting as if you win 100% of your games because you're such a god is hilarious. If anything, it shows you are really bad at the game and you're overcompensating right now. Stop trolling and don't talk when you probably haven't even finished all characters on D5 yet. Sit down, boy.

I counted 15 classes who I have around 90% win rate with in D5. Rest are mid tier and low tier classes who need better luck to win with.

So if I play those 15 classes I dont lose runs all the time, I rarely lose at all. The issue is class balance, not that D5 is too hard.

I agree that D5 isn't too hard. I've never said that and I never will. I do believe D5 is wildly unbalanced, though. Especially given the fact that wave 18 elites are stronger than the end boss at wave 20 and the horde wave doesn't give you any more materials even though you kill more enemies (while the elites give red items as a reward).
I also think that some of the enemies need to be reworked in general, since the damage output between different creatures is incredibly unbalanced and often simply doesn't make sense (like the eggs dealing a lot of contact damage before they are hatched. Like, why?)

But these things are widely known issues and the community has criticized this update for these things more than once. Rightfully so. Hopefully the dev will listen.

Now, my problem is with the giant amount of RNG in the game to the point where it holds a strong veto over either winning or losing a game. The reason I mention D5 in particular is because that's where you notice this problem the most. A few things to fix this would include a shop rework, a spawnpoint rework for enemies, and perhaps even a rescaling of waves and stats. And yes, I agree that the different characters are very different in difficulty. Now, I don't really mind that too much, but it seems the differences are just too big at this moment in time.

Many people on this forum don't seem to realize what a rogue-lite is and should be. They seem fine grinding the same character over and over on D5, trying to get that one lucky run to get a long deserved win. That's NOT supposed to happen with this genre of games. Yes, luck should be a component, but it should not hold a complete veto over whether or not you win the game. Instead, it should be one of many factors you have to work your way around with. In the end, assuming someone reaches an elite level of skill in the game, you shouldn't lose any runs. And right now that is FAR from the case.

Don't get me wrong, I really like the concept of the game, which is why I bought and played it. And before this current update, it was doing most of the things it should do. But I think that adding new ideas, items, enemies, etc. wildly unbalanced everything to a point the developer simply did not anticipate, resulting in luck being the definitive factor in a lot of runs. So I keep hoping he's busy fixing these issues right now.

[HighDensityLipo]

Originally posted by Courtesy Flush:

Originally posted by HighDensityLipo:

Courtney is the saddest boy in school. By the way, you finally stumbled upon a perfect example of strawman. Obviously op wasn't saying that this game has no rng, b/c that would be absurd. He is suggesting that long term practice and skill will prevail over rng/variance w/ a large enough sample. That is 100% true. You decided to strawman his argument by saying loads of superior streamers lose games all the time. So, if they are better than him and lose, then that means that rng is present. However, he never claimed that rng isn't present. By the way, you are the one that said that this game is 100% rng, so what do you meant that superior streamers are playing? How could anyone be superior if this is 100% rng? What dose superior mean if this game is 100% rng. Oh poor Courtney, this is getting sadder by the day.

Ah, How nice it must be to just state random things without any proof. Even better, if you look around at high profile players you'll see I'm actually correct. But forget about all of that and let's not worry about stupid things like facts, right? Let's instead just blindly assume that if people would continue to play this game on this version for 5 more years people would consistently win on D5 like they should in rogue-lite games. You know, like binding of isaac and slay the spire. Lol, keep dreaming, man.

Oh, and the irony of you falsely accusing me of strawmanning while you're the one doing exactly that in the very same message is not lost on me. You're trolling, right? Because no one is that stupid. Surely, you're not that stupid... Right... Oh dear...

(In case you really are serious and you just happen to have a below 80 IQ, you might wanna quote my 100% RNG. You might find it at one of my previous message up above where I said 90% RNG. I know scrolling and reading is hard at your mental level, but let's just try to pull through, shall we?

Random things wo proof???? This thread has been going on for weeks and yet you still haven't given one fact. You just keep saying your opinion, your friends opinions, and conflating some threads where ppl are unhappy w/ losing on D5 w/ "fact that this game is 100% rng based". You do realize that everyone can still see the thread that you started, you genius. "SO I gave it some time....I quite playing some time ago b/c the game had become 100% rng based...." Ahahahahahahahahahahaha. You focused on this one thing, and yet it was another bold face lie by you. You then have the audacity to say that I can't read and have an IQ below 80 when you can't keep even be bothered to go back to look at your post. It's right there, everyone can see it. You wrote 100% rng. You are a true national treasure.

[HighDensityLipo]

Go ahead Courtney, play the victim and go back and edit your post so it says 90%. Also, are you just going to repeat what I say back to you. Do please explain how I strawmanned you. Once again, I used your exact words verbatum, not possible to strawman. I guess it's your reading comprehension or maybe that below 80 IQ that is making this so difficult for you. Are you going to keep saying whatever I say to you back to me? I first joke that if you are trolling, bravo, then you accuse me of trolling. I just showed your example of strawmanning, then to the surprise of no one, you then accuse me of strawmanning me, even though you didn't explain how. You are pulling straight from the Amber Heard playbook.