How do I build bull?

[<Corn]

I've seen wins posted with similar stats to this, but i'm nowhere close to winning a run on danger 0. What am I missing?
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2871245827

[burn1none]

Try to get the little bear that heals you on materials pickup I’ve found it helps. Your build looks pretty solid I don’t have a ton of advice for build. As far as how to attack I’ve found kiting enemies into larger groups before exploding is usually more efficient. Like try to circle around the dive in for a quick explosion. That item that gives you armor when you don’t move is good because my attack pattern is usually circle then stand still explode then repeat. Still trying to beat that character but I need to finish D5 so my monkey brain won’t let me play any lower than that until I win at least on run

[chand3123k]

I think Bull got buffed in the beta branch. Bull and Masochist as it is, and even after the beta branch still has the issue of taking too much damage. There is one item you need on both of them, and that is the blood bag/IV Bag, whatever it is called that gives your 40 harvest but makes you tick 1 damage every second. That way you don't have to take tons of damage from enemies, and you get the trigger from the -1hp tick.

Not sure if you have seen that blood bag item in your runs yet. I don't think it is an unlock.

[<color=#CD3210>Lunatic]

Ignore speed, max your regen to 50, first 5 levels get +luck, after that always get max health. Now maxout dodge to 70 and get 300+ range, that way you virtually never take hits, but when you do, you will aoe HUGE and heal up long before you take 50%hp dmg.

Try to get all the % damage and pickup range items you can.

Ideally 1-3 piggy banks and save about 100 per wave for waves 4-8 and 250 for waves 8-12, 500+ for 12-15, 1k+ for waves 15-19, then blow 3-4k b4 wave 19.

Ideally you want to cap your health at 150, gaining the +8dmg types whilst having over 100% damage and 10 armor with max dodge and over 300 range, that way you can afk.

You should get the couch red rarity if it drops, you dont need to move.

[burn1none]

Originally posted by Lunatic Heretic:

Ignore speed, max your regen to 50, first 5 levels get +luck, after that always get max health. Now maxout dodge to 70 and get 300+ range, that way you virtually never take hits, but when you do, you will aoe HUGE and heal up long before you take 50%hp dmg.

Try to get all the % damage and pickup range items you can.

Ideally 1-3 piggy banks and save about 100 per wave for waves 4-8 and 250 for waves 8-12, 500+ for 12-15, 1k+ for waves 15-19, then blow 3-4k b4 wave 19.

Ideally you want to cap your health at 150, gaining the +8dmg types whilst having over 100% damage and 10 armor with max dodge and over 300 range, that way you can afk.

You should get the couch red rarity if it drops, you dont need to move.

Are you sure range effects the explosion?

[<Corn]

Originally posted by burn1none:

Are you sure range effects the explosion?

That's my question too. 99% sure it doesn't because there's a specific Explosion Size modifier.

His response is crazy. Max 3 stats and get 3 piggy banks. is that even possible to get multiple max stats AND 150 HP AND 100% damage?

[Sea Base]

Originally posted by <Corn:

Originally posted by burn1none:

Are you sure range effects the explosion?

That's my question too. 99% sure it doesn't because there's a specific Explosion Size modifier.

His response is crazy. Max 3 stats and get 3 piggy banks. is that even possible to get multiple max stats AND 150 HP AND 100% damage?

It does not effect explosion size.

You can with crazy good RNG... but i'm not sure why you would want to max out dodge for any reason than playing -Armour characters anyway since it's not reliable and expensive to build up.

[Absentminded]

I won with bull a couple times. build up HP and HP re-gen go crazy on armor, and any damage, whether elemental, melee, or ranged it all adds to the explosion damage. i ignored speed for the most part till the last 2-3 levels then you kinda need it to chase down the boss.

-don't get
attack speed
range
speed, until the last few levels.

[Lulu Lemon]

Hi, i've beat danger 5 using bull, like Absentminded says, most stats are best to ignore such as attack speed, speed as well, harvest, engineering, range, etc tec, it makes it THAT so much easier to use the money you got to buy the actual things you need, at danger 5 with the final boss, it was able to literally stand on top of it while it takes damage from me and damaging me back, then move away from him to regenerate (life leech another useless stat on him), and stomp him again..
IMHO this is one of the most OP characters other than Mage, Lucky or Soldier.

[Lulu Lemon]

oh.. another useless stat.. DODGE which is might come as a surprise with bull, dodging means you didn't damage the enemy as well, not worth it for just dodging missiles..

[Panda]

Originally posted by Lulu Lemon:

Hi, i've beat danger 5 using bull, like Absentminded says, most stats are best to ignore such as attack speed, speed as well, harvest, engineering, range, etc tec, it makes it THAT so much easier to use the money you got to buy the actual things you need, at danger 5 with the final boss, it was able to literally stand on top of it while it takes damage from me and damaging me back, then move away from him to regenerate (life leech another useless stat on him), and stomp him again..
IMHO this is one of the most OP characters other than Mage, Lucky or Soldier.

how on earth do u survive wave 20 with soldier? i just cant he just dmgs u and swarms and kils u with the stupid bullets

[nash]

Originally posted by Lulu Lemon:

Hi, i've beat danger 5 using bull, like Absentminded says, most stats are best to ignore such as attack speed, speed as well, harvest, engineering, range, etc tec, it makes it THAT so much easier to use the money you got to buy the actual things you need, at danger 5 with the final boss, it was able to literally stand on top of it while it takes damage from me and damaging me back, then move away from him to regenerate (life leech another useless stat on him), and stomp him again..
IMHO this is one of the most OP characters other than Mage, Lucky or Soldier.

Originally posted by Lulu Lemon:

oh.. another useless stat.. DODGE which is might come as a surprise with bull, dodging means you didn't damage the enemy as well, not worth it for just dodging missiles..

While it may be that you beat danger 5 on a lucky run, even on danger 0 you will just be charged to death on level 11 without any speed by these chargers sticking on to you without any chance to remove them from you. Dodge is super useful as you can dive in way better and deeper and got more coverage out of your explosion and way more money.

[<Corn]

It took me about 8 hrs of attempts to finally get this. I won't be trying this character again. it is the least fun RNG-fest I've encountered in this game.

I would consider this god drops for explosion synergy.

Started out stacking Luck, HP Regen, Armor as my first stats. Eventually got a Panda.
Then started stacking damage around wave 9 (the good blue/purple items) to 1 shot the mummies on 11+.
Then stacked dodge around wave 16-18 to counter the bullet hell and spread out enemies.
Then converted dodge into whatever else I was missing.

tl;dr
Restart until you get a good luck level or drop in the early levels. This character needs a lot of stats. Too many shop re-rolls kill the run.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2871357510


Also, I wonder if the people posting in this thread with easy wins have tried in the beta branch with the armor updates.