Transportation

[Royal Reg of Gloucestershire]

most transportation around 1900's were by
Horse (drawn carriages) - in fact the us had only 8000 cars registered at that time.
So expect walking, horse riding or perhaps cycling. Or trains....did Sicily even had a train line around 1900? Interesting 👍

[AC Denton]

Yes they had trains.
And yes cars were all but unheard of in Sicily during the 1900's, they didn't become "common" until the 1910s and even then, they were for the well-off people.

[Royal Reg of Gloucestershire]

Originally posted by AC Denton:

Yes they had trains.
And yes cars were all but unheard of in Sicily during the 1900's, they didn't become "common" until the 1910s and even then, they were for the well-off people.

My theory is, that I think the game will run from 1900-45, so we'll probably see them get slowly into the game as the years goes on. True about cars - my grand-grand father was a mayor close to the border of Germany - and when WW1 broke out, he was on holiday, quite a distance away. And was collected in car, to get as fast as possible back to his mayor town - and it was in 1914 quite a sensation so see a car, I'm told from his memories he wrote in a book. So it was not even given that you owed a car if you were a mayor back then - but a Godfather would own one of course ;)

[Royal Reg of Gloucestershire]

Originally posted by Royal Reg of Gloucestershire:

most transportation around 1900's were by
Horse (drawn carriages) - in fact the us had only 8000 cars registered at that time.
So expect walking, horse riding or perhaps cycling. Or trains....did Sicily even had a train line around 1900? Interesting 👍

and fast travel will probably by train...if they have such option. Don't think any Mafia game had that option, come to think of it.

[M37SG]

The store page already has a screenshot of a car.

[Mechthorian]

Originally posted by Royal Reg of Gloucestershire:

Originally posted by AC Denton:

Yes they had trains.
And yes cars were all but unheard of in Sicily during the 1900's, they didn't become "common" until the 1910s and even then, they were for the well-off people.

My theory is, that I think the game will run from 1900-45, so we'll probably see them get slowly into the game as the years goes on.

45 years is a bit of an unrealistic guess, but I do think the game will span multiple decades. According to leaks, it's following the stories of Salieri, Morello, and Peppone, so it'll likely end some time before Mafia 1 starts in 1930.

If I had to guess, I'd say it'll start some time around 1904, and run through the early 1920s, when Peppone was murdered.

[Royal Reg of Gloucestershire]

Originally posted by Mechthorian:

Originally posted by Royal Reg of Gloucestershire:

My theory is, that I think the game will run from 1900-45, so we'll probably see them get slowly into the game as the years goes on.

45 years is a bit of an unrealistic guess, but I do think the game will span multiple decades. According to leaks, it's following the stories of Salieri, Morello, and Peppone, so it'll likely end some time before Mafia 1 starts in 1930.

If I had to guess, I'd say it'll start some time around 1904, and run through the early 1920s, when Peppone was murdered.

Good bet 👍 on the timeline - haven't played M1 since it came out first. And M2 the same, so many details i don't remember.
Plan is to play Mafia Definitive Edition, as a warmup for M4. 😁

[Denny]

Twenty years-older cars but I bet they will be similarly fast as the ones in Mafia II

[Melber]

Or we can expect "2K" will revise history and we get cars in the game :3

[Royal Reg of Gloucestershire]

Originally posted by Melber:

Or we can expect "2K" will revise history and we get cars in the game :3

Horse carriage and train - in the first part of the game

[Hopper-King]

uhh..

in fact the us had only 8000 cars registered at that time.

that was about the patent. it took teddy roosevelt getting into office for that to be overturned in court so all the americans who were building their own cars could actually finally sell. he also introduced the anti-monopoly and the law that makes it illegal to lie about your product, which was technically legal beforehand.

i mentioned it elsewhere here, but during the specific decade the game is set, automobiles were swarming the island from the mainland for the annual targa florio series of races. italians' romance with automobiles goes back to the late 1800s.

[Denny]

Honestly, Mafia game set on some ancient, desolated peninsula which is barely inhabited is huge nono. Could it work as a spin-off? Yes. But definitely not as a main game.

If you read Puzzo's "Godfather" and "Sicilian" you know exactly what I'm talking about.

[Royal Reg of Gloucestershire]

Originally posted by Denny:

Twenty years-older cars but I bet they will be similarly fast as the ones in Mafia II

Red Dead Redemption 2 are taking place in 1899 - not a whole lotta wagoneering about - trains and horses - probably only for the first part of the game.

[Hopper-King]

meanwhile in the same country, but in a more developed area, this happened in 1895:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Times-Herald_race
"america's first automobile race".
the reason only enthusiasts and hobbyists who ordered do-it-yourself kits had them early on was because of this cartel:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_Licensed_Automobile_Manufacturers
alam, along with the guy who was awarded the u.s. patent in 1895:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_B._Selden
created a racket where they controlled who could sell cars. essentially creating a national stranglehold on the automotive industry until teddy roosevelt started cleaning house around the turn of the century. it's specific to america.

italy, who had multiple major automobile, motorcycle, and voiturette racing events going back to 1900, didn't have that issue. one race, the coppa florio:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coppa_Florio
expanded out to sicily in 1906 for the annual targa florio:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Targa_Florio

[Hopper-King]

Originally posted by Mechthorian:

it's following the stories of Salieri, Morello, and Peppone, so it'll likely end some time before Mafia 1 starts in 1930.

according to his 1:DE cigarette card, salieri arrived in america in 1908. where he and morello would be rising through the peppone family together from then on. in lost heaven.

[Denny]

Originally posted by Royal Reg of Gloucestershire:

Originally posted by Denny:

Twenty years-older cars but I bet they will be similarly fast as the ones in Mafia II

Red Dead Redemption 2 are taking place in 1899 - not a whole lotta wagoneering about - trains and horses - probably only for the first part of the game.

I think we can agree on that we don't want Hangar 13 to attempt for horse animations. Since RDR2 is six (!!!!) years old.

It's funny because it's literally owned by the same publisher, but they will never want Mafia to really thrive, it will always be a niche franchise.