Why take the story back to 1900s?

[oscar19681]

Why have they gone back in time to the original mafia game? It’s all been done before. Why not have the story take place in the 1980s for a change. Not a single mafia game has been done in this time which is the golden age of the mafia. I don’t hope this is Gonna be another scripted story line game as opposed to open world game.

[Hopper-King]

i think they set it 20 years before mafia 1 for the same reason it's in tommy angelo's hometown/where vito had his wwii mission: because it's a nexus point in time and space where we'll see the most characters from all three of the games in one place.
edit: i would've preferred atlantic city or harlem during the renaissance, but this is fine.

[AC Denton]

Originally posted by oscar19681:

Why have they gone back in time to the original mafia game?

This is set in the 1900s, Mafia 1 is set in 1930-1938. It's good to go backwards, especially to Sicily - not done before.

Originally posted by oscar19681:

Not a single mafia game has been done in this time which is the golden age of the mafia.

There are multiple games about the Mafia in the 1980s. It's a very popular time period for Mafia themed media, it's very overdone.
The 1980s was not the golden age of the Mafia at all. The golden age was from 1929/30 with the Castellammarese War which resulted in the "Five Families" in New York, to 1969 before the RICO Act in 1970.

Originally posted by oscar19681:

I don’t hope this is Gonna be another scripted story line game as opposed to open world game.

The series has always been linear and scripted, with little to do in the open world. Mafia 3 was the only exception and that backfired when it annoyed the player base. We want them to focus on the story - don't try to change that. There are plenty of open world focused games out there, we don't need every game to be that.

[Hopper-King]

Originally posted by AC Denton:

The series has always been linear and scripted, with little to do in the open world.

apparently, based off the old forum, the remake was trying to roll things back to mafia 2, so i kinda expect m2 style dlcs, which is just as good to me. especially if the main complaint is how little utilized the map is.
though they'll likely waste a whole dlc on something based on the wwii mission from 2, i hope the other one will be darker, maybe funnier, than the base story, like the non-joe dlc.

[Mno]

Because they are too creatively bankrupt to make a game set in a modern setting without making it a cheap GTA clone.

[oscar19681]

Originally posted by Mno:

Because they are too creatively bankrupt to make a game set in a modern setting without making it a cheap GTA clone.

+1

[oscar19681]

Originally posted by AC Denton:

Originally posted by oscar19681:

Why have they gone back in time to the original mafia game?

This is set in the 1900s, Mafia 1 is set in 1930-1938. It's good to go backwards, especially to Sicily - not done before.

Originally posted by oscar19681:

Not a single mafia game has been done in this time which is the golden age of the mafia.

There are multiple games about the Mafia in the 1980s. It's a very popular time period for Mafia themed media, it's very overdone.
The 1980s was not the golden age of the Mafia at all. The golden age was from 1929/30 with the Castellammarese War which resulted in the "Five Families" in New York, to 1969 before the RICO Act in 1970.

Originally posted by oscar19681:

I don’t hope this is Gonna be another scripted story line game as opposed to open world game.

The series has always been linear and scripted, with little to do in the open world. Mafia 3 was the only exception and that backfired when it annoyed the player base. We want them to focus on the story - don't try to change that. There are plenty of open world focused games out there, we don't need every game to be that.

Please name one mafia game set in the 80s since I can’t think of a single one.

[Hopper-King]

they're probably thinking of vice city. maybe the scarface game.

[oscar19681]

Originally posted by Hopper-King:

they're probably thinking of vice city. maybe the scarface game.

Well Vice City certainly wasn’t a classic mafia story or game, nor was Scarface (which was really good to be honest) since it centered around drug cartels and not the Mafia, two very different things altogether.

[SheevPalps]

Originally posted by oscar19681:

Originally posted by AC Denton:

This is set in the 1900s, Mafia 1 is set in 1930-1938. It's good to go backwards, especially to Sicily - not done before.


There are multiple games about the Mafia in the 1980s. It's a very popular time period for Mafia themed media, it's very overdone.
The 1980s was not the golden age of the Mafia at all. The golden age was from 1929/30 with the Castellammarese War which resulted in the "Five Families" in New York, to 1969 before the RICO Act in 1970.


The series has always been linear and scripted, with little to do in the open world. Mafia 3 was the only exception and that backfired when it annoyed the player base. We want them to focus on the story - don't try to change that. There are plenty of open world focused games out there, we don't need every game to be that.

Please name one mafia game set in the 80s since I can’t think of a single one.

GTA Vice City
Yakuza 0

[Hopper-King]

Well Vice City certainly wasn’t a classic mafia story or game

not sure what this means. you play a member of the mafia, working under the orders of one of the family.
as far as stories like that, about expansion, those go back to the formation of the mafia, with bugsy siegel in las vegas and meyer lansky in cuba.

[Xautos]

The setting, the flags, the cars, it looks to be set between 1940 to 1943. Italy joined Nazi Germany in 1940 in WW2 against the Allies and by summer 1943 Sicily was taken by the Allies.

Aside from Albania, every other conflict between the start of WW2 until Italy joining the Germans was all in Africa. So if the flashpoint is Vito being part of the invading force into Sicily before the mob boss ordered the Italian soldiers to lay down their weapons, then that's where it is centered, so presumably crime families were taking advantage of the chaos of war under Mussolini until things came to a head when the allies invaded and a choice needed to be made that will forever decide the direction of the mob, not just in Sicily, but beyond that into the wider world.

That's what i'm thinking anyway.

[myperfectvictory]

Originally posted by Hopper-King:

Well Vice City certainly wasn’t a classic mafia story or game

not sure what this means. you play a member of the mafia, working under the orders of one of the family.
as far as stories like that, about expansion, those go back to the formation of the mafia, with bugsy siegel in las vegas and meyer lansky in cuba.

yeah i was gonna say the same thing. main character was literally there for a drug deal gone bad on orders of his mafia boss.

[Kamamura]

Indeed, the true heyday of Mafia in the Czech Republic started in November 1989. A notorious alcoholic Václav Havel gave his self-centered, meandering speeches, while the gang of Václav Klaus and Victor Kožený were busy tunneling the state assets. Kmotr Mrázek would be an excellent computer game character.

[Chungo Beepis]

The most interesting aspect the Mafia franchise could take would be mid to late 30's in Italy, opposing Mussolini and fascism. Anything else is just openly ignoring that huge potential for the franchise to bounce back. If that's what this game intends to do they might want to lean into that marketing. If it doesn't then it absolutely not interesting to me.

[Chungo Beepis]

Originally posted by Xautos:

The setting, the flags, the cars, it looks to be set between 1940 to 1943. Italy joined Nazi Germany in 1940 in WW2 against the Allies and by summer 1943 Sicily was taken by the Allies.

Aside from Albania, every other conflict between the start of WW2 until Italy joining the Germans was all in Africa. So if the flashpoint is Vito being part of the invading force into Sicily before the mob boss ordered the Italian soldiers to lay down their weapons, then that's where it is centered, so presumably crime families were taking advantage of the chaos of war under Mussolini until things came to a head when the allies invaded and a choice needed to be made that will forever decide the direction of the mob, not just in Sicily, but beyond that into the wider world.

That's what i'm thinking anyway.

Mussolini tried to exterminate the Mafia, a fascist disruptor like that isn't going to accept any other order of life on his turf, that's fascism daddy-o, people were turning to them for help because states are monolithic and impenetrable, an underground organisation is more or less an accessible alternative for common people, that's why they exist at all. The mafia also helped secure the USA in WW2 by defending the ports across America, it has great legs in lore building, but not if you just spaff it up as a single player time period shooter, it has to have life, long legs, romantic notions of last bastions of retreat for the underclasses. There's some really good stories that could be extracted there to breath life into this franchise.