Bosses ruin the game

[jeron]

Bosses are really challenging. From 20+ hours of my experience, you are basically guaranteed to loose a hero or two in any bossfight. Which is sad, but would be playable if you get reinforcements after that. It would be even kinda interesting that game enforces heroes rotation in such a brutal way.

And thus, I don't understand – why in the world bossfight is not the very last encounter on map? Because how it works now – after defeating boss you stay with those two survived heroes, at half hp at very best, and in 99% cases they die in very next encounter. Simply because they are outnumbered and can't act optimally. Happened to me every single time I managed to kill a boss.

That is, for all your efforts and hard-earned victory, in reward you get a guaranteed gameover. WTF?

With the requirement to bring a trophy to the mountain, bosses are NOT optional by no means. You have to face them – one or each one, doesn't matter at this point. And you anyway always want to postpone bossfight as much as possible – to potentially get more equip for battle. The very end of map is perfect place for bossfight.

Maybe – if we're about to keep them "optional" – just make the boss lair an alternative to oblivion's rampart, so player has to choose one of them. Simple as that – and it would change the game experience tremendously. Because even losing some heroes in bossfight, you get to inn right afterwards, and can keep going with a new squad. It would make the game, you know, playable.

Currently – I'm just dropping it, because it's nothing but a waste of time. Being rewarded with a gameover is total bs.

[snuggleform]

I will say I initially and actually for the first 40 hours so, which a LOT OF TIME, thought that the game was also restrictive towards hero building, but I really don't think so anymore after digging deep. I have over 100 hours now and done the most difficult achieves (grand slam/hard mode) with fairly janky tanks (aspirant occ, alchemist PD, yellowhand HWM, monarch leper). And I routinely take on the first lair boss in region 1 pretty much as long as I bring PD, and the other 3 can be hugely different.

And what do you mean by the game forces you to go for a new confession? You can always select from previous confessions, even after a fresh victory against a new confession.

The act bosses are for better or worse the gatekeepers of the game. If you absolutely hate interacting with them, well for better or worse they are the markers for progress in the game. For me I try to interact with the game it was designed: I expected the act bosses to surprise and rek me, and most of them did (except act 4 which I one shot, so there's hope there! There are actually act bosses where just about any well constructed team will do well in so don't lose hope). I expected to have to learn and adapt. And there were times where I wanted to quit, but the game is fun enough to keep trying at least IMO.

[Pixel Peeper]

Publicado originalmente por snuggleform:

And what do you mean by the game forces you to go for a new confession? You can always select from previous confessions, even after a fresh victory against a new confession.

You cannot. When you first unlock a new Confession, the names of previous Confessions are darkened and unselectable.

I completed Denial on my very first run and was unable to re-select it, I was forced into Resentment where I wiped on the final boss. After that I could select Denial again, and farmed it for a while. I made a second attempt at Resentment yesterday and succeeded, and then both Denial and Resentment became unavailable. I'll wipe on Obsession today and I expect Denial and Resentment will become available again after that. Until I complete Obsession, at which point I'll be forced to do the next one.

[St3amfails]

You are correct OP. This is not a git gud issue. This is a get adequate issue. Good isn't even required.

[Ignosius]

Publicado originalmente por Pixel Peeper:

Publicado originalmente por snuggleform:

And what do you mean by the game forces you to go for a new confession? You can always select from previous confessions, even after a fresh victory against a new confession.

You cannot. When you first unlock a new Confession, the names of previous Confessions are darkened and unselectable.

I completed Denial on my very first run and was unable to re-select it, I was forced into Resentment where I wiped on the final boss. After that I could select Denial again, and farmed it for a while. I made a second attempt at Resentment yesterday and succeeded, and then both Denial and Resentment became unavailable. I'll wipe on Obsession today and I expect Denial and Resentment will become available again after that. Until I complete Obsession, at which point I'll be forced to do the next one.

I don't recall this ever happening, and I've beaten every confession.

Were you putting memories on your winning party? I wonder if the game doesn't let you use the same characters on the same confession after they've canonically beaten it, since they have memories. Other than maybe that, I have no idea.

[Ichbin]

Publicado originalmente por Phaden:

Publicado originalmente por Magni:

Skill issue.

[Pixel Peeper]

Publicado originalmente por Ignosius:

I don't recall this ever happening, and I've beaten every confession.

Were you putting memories on your winning party? I wonder if the game doesn't let you use the same characters on the same confession after they've canonically beaten it, since they have memories. Other than maybe that, I have no idea.

I beat Denial on my first run and did not spend any of my candles on Memories. I was still forced into Resentment. And I have Memoried characters that have beaten Denial, I can still pick them to do Denial.

I did put candles on a party member after beating Resentment, but I was forced into Obsession there too.

Looks like it's just how it works.

[snuggleform]

I don't remember that happening either. At any rate, it's not worth complaining about.

[jbrd_]

Publicado originalmente por Ignosius:

I don't recall this ever happening, and I've beaten every confession.

Publicado originalmente por snuggleform:

I don't remember that happening either. At any rate, it's not worth complaining about.

It's a thing. Every time you defeat a new confession boss, you get an extended bit of story from the narrator and are locked into the next confession. I'm currently on Confession 5 and have experienced it after defeating each of the first 4. Others talk about it here and on the subreddit.

Not a big deal for me at all, and it's definitely off-topic. Just wanted to clarify.

[Ignosius]

Publicado originalmente por jbrd_:

It's a thing. Every time you defeat a new confession boss, you get an extended bit of story from the narrator and are locked into the next confession. I'm currently on Confession 5 and have experienced it after defeating each of the first 4. Others talk about it here and on the subreddit.

Not a big deal for me at all, and it's definitely off-topic. Just wanted to clarify.

Weird, wonder if it was added recently. I remember getting tired of progression and doing an earlier run with a new team instead right after unlocking the next confession. This was in the first week the game was out.

Or maybe my memory is awful, who knows.

[Divvu]

Game is ez as it is, proposed changes would make it moronic.

The fact you two are apparently challenged doesn't mean the rest of the community should suffer a mediocre game.

The bosses are quite doable and I haven't read a single review lamenting them, bar the overtuned act 2 boss.

[MarcoPants]

Publicado originalmente por Divvu:

The bosses are quite doable and I haven't read a single review lamenting them, bar the overtuned act 2 boss.

Act 2 is hard, but far from overtuned. If you are struggling to pop the lungs (especially the back lung) every round, it's a you problem. Backline projection is extremely important to have in your team comp outside this boss, so that's all on you if you lack the damage to pop the back lung. Act 3 is the one boss I'd say is truly unfair/unfun to fight with a gimmick that will most likely team wipe you near instantly the first time you fight it

[HighLanderPony]

Publicado originalmente por Divvu:

Game is ez as it is, proposed changes would make it moronic.

The fact you two are apparently challenged doesn't mean the rest of the community should suffer a mediocre game.

The bosses are quite doable and I haven't read a single review lamenting them, bar the overtuned act 2 boss.

full cap

[LaCriaturaDelMar]

Publicado originalmente por HighLanderPony:

Way to misinterpret what I said.

Okay, so what did you mean, then?