librarian is a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ boss change my mind

[Shodingus]

if you're using the usual suspects you can't do ♥♥♥♥ against him until he's already next to you, meanwhile he keeps getting free turns out of thin ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ air that just let him do damage to your entire party + burn them, he keeps throwing out blinds that give him MULTIPLE DODGES and once the books are gone he just destroys you with constant full party damage.
You'd think a race against the books being destroyed would warrant him not constantly getting dodges to avoid all damage you can feasibly do.

[Magni]

Wrecked him on my first ever run, with me going to the Sprawl. Got slightly lucky in that I nabbed the Sprawl Almanac stagecoach item when hitting the altar after the tutorial.

Thing about the Librarian fight is that is starts slow and then towards the end gets very fast and frantic. You absolutely want some milk-soaked linen or other ways to deal with blindness, and you want to start laying the hurt on him ASAP. Take Aim+Pistol Shot and Poison Darts, then star wailing on him with the MAA once he goes to rank 3 etc.

Managed to nuke his ass down by the time he was one shot from taking out the final bookstack. I've no idea what happens if he burns that, but I guess it ain't pretty.

Also, the fact he attacks the bookstacks and your heroes complain about it should really be enough to activate some neurons and make you figure out that BAD THINGS will happen if he's allowed to burn them all.

[Shodingus]

Originally posted by Magni:

Also, the fact he attacks the bookstacks and your heroes complain about it should really be enough to activate some neurons and make you figure out that BAD THINGS will happen if he's allowed to burn them all.

Normally yes but the fact that he keeps throwing out attacks that both blind you AND give him dodge threw me off and made me think I had to take out the stacks myself instead of letting him do it

When all the books are gone he ignites, regaining health and he starts throwing out full party attacks like 3 times per round that keep stacking burn

[MarcoPants]

Originally posted by Shodingus:

Originally posted by MarcoPants:

every time he burns a stack of books completely, he'll immediately get a free action to attack the entire party or, if there are no books left, he'll ignite, healing him and then he'll ONLY attack the entire party for all three of his actions every turn

in one fight he burned the last book and next round he was first resulting in him having 6 total actions back to back. It's not only insane, but its stupid

That story doesn’t add up unless you somehow managed to completely outspeed him on the round where he torches the last stack and then somehow manage to do the exact opposite. Even then, his three actions get split in between your action. Usually you’ll only see him take two actions in succession at the very end of a round. If you then lose the initiative die roll, that could then result in three actions in a row. Sorry, but you’re only really going to see him take many actions back to back if people are dying

[Kharn the Betrayer]

Originally posted by Shodingus:

Originally posted by HighLanderPony:

You're confusing challenging with "hihi gotcha" punishing.

bingo. I think that's something a lot of DD fans don't really understand. An enemy suddenly inflicting a ton of poison or whatever on you because the dice rolled a crit and killed one of your heroes isn't challenging, your skill isn't being tested.

Except DD has always given you all the tools you need to prevent that.

[Sliscus]

Originally posted by Vengeance:

Originally posted by Shodingus:

bingo. I think that's something a lot of DD fans don't really understand. An enemy suddenly inflicting a ton of poison or whatever on you because the dice rolled a crit and killed one of your heroes isn't challenging, your skill isn't being tested.

Except DD has always given you all the tools you need to prevent that.

I'd love to know how you stack that much blight resists on all your heroes.

[Kharn the Betrayer]

Originally posted by Sliscus:

Originally posted by Vengeance:

Except DD has always given you all the tools you need to prevent that.

I'd love to know how you stack that much blight resists on all your heroes.

By not getting blighted.


(I'm only referring to DD1, i haven't played 2 enough yet to say.)

[Omniscient Beer Can]

Never beat DD1, beat librarian on first try (losing 2), beat him 2nd try w/ no casualties on journey to successful win. It's not that bad.

[Sliscus]

Originally posted by Vengeance:

Originally posted by Sliscus:

I'd love to know how you stack that much blight resists on all your heroes.

By not getting blighted.


(I'm only referring to DD1, i haven't played 2 enough yet to say.)

LOL

[Sliscus]

Originally posted by Omniscient Beer Can:

Never beat DD1, beat librarian on first try (losing 2), beat him 2nd try w/ no casualties on journey to successful win. It's not that bad.

first try he wiped me and he had like 10 HP left.
second try I got him with 0 casualties

[Shodingus]

Originally posted by Omniscient Beer Can:

Never beat DD1, beat librarian on first try (losing 2), beat him 2nd try w/ no casualties on journey to successful win. It's not that bad.

>I had it easy therefore the boss isn't actually hard
The average DD player

[Sliscus]

Originally posted by Shodingus:

Originally posted by Omniscient Beer Can:

Never beat DD1, beat librarian on first try (losing 2), beat him 2nd try w/ no casualties on journey to successful win. It's not that bad.

>I had it easy therefore the boss isn't actually hard
The average DD player

Once you realise the books are a rage timer, he's pretty easy I messed up on my first attempt and thought they were like the pews in the Prophet's fight and started cutting them down then noticed he was burning the one next to him

[Sliscus]

then you have runs like I just had where the RNG is stupid and you literally miss more than half your attacks until he's on the last book stack then he wipes your party

[Snobby Hobo]

Instead of shouting from the rooftops how "BAD DESIGN!!!!11" it is, how about you consider for a second the tools this game has at its disposal. If not by making it a puzzle-esque gimmick fight, what exactly can the game do? Make it just a big unit so you can faceroll through it with your run-of-the-mill-never-change-comp? Would that be better?

The Librarian, like all other section bosses, is fine. You just shouldn't expect to go in and win without adapting.

[Shodingus]

Originally posted by Incredibly average:

Instead of shouting from the rooftops how "BAD DESIGN!!!!11" it is, how about you consider for a second the tools this game has at its disposal. If not by making it a puzzle-esque gimmick fight, what exactly can the game do? Make it just a big unit so you can faceroll through it with your run-of-the-mill-never-change-comp? Would that be better?

The Librarian, like all other section bosses, is fine. You just shouldn't expect to go in and win without adapting.

And yet the general was much easier and I beat him first try without losing anyone. Is the librarian overtuned or is the general then undertuned?

[Sliscus]

Originally posted by Shodingus:

Originally posted by Incredibly average:

Instead of shouting from the rooftops how "BAD DESIGN!!!!11" it is, how about you consider for a second the tools this game has at its disposal. If not by making it a puzzle-esque gimmick fight, what exactly can the game do? Make it just a big unit so you can faceroll through it with your run-of-the-mill-never-change-comp? Would that be better?

The Librarian, like all other section bosses, is fine. You just shouldn't expect to go in and win without adapting.

And yet the general was much easier and I beat him first try without losing anyone. Is the librarian overtuned or is the general then undertuned?

The librarian requires more prep and seems to have better evasion, making team buffs more important. The general is just an endurance test but if you can DoT him up enough to make up for when you need to hit the taproot he goes down really easy