Let's be honest here....

[Cruna]

Darkest dungeon 2 sure becomes a sensitive subject, and for good reasons. I am not a die hard DD1 fan, and I'm open for new ideas when it comes to games. But now after trying DD2 out for countless hours, I just realise that the game is simply doesn't have enough content to justify the price of a modern game. This whole roguelike approach, the slow moving cart mechanics, the silly relationship mechanics are just meant to stand in your way to breeze through a game which is at most 1-2 hours long. So the whole roguelike element isn't there to add something to the game. It's simply there to hide the lack of content behind a linear grind.

Seems like the whole aim was to make the game look really nice for trailers, and just avoid making a game full of content. You want more content, nah they never made it. How about you do the same thing 100 times? That's content! ...right.

Now yeah I know it's early access but even on Epic store the devs claim that the game is over 75% finished so it's not like it will change that much by release, so....

Back when I first saw the trailers I presumed, taht the whole stagecoach mehcanic was just a new and interesting way of doing dungeon runs, something that is added on TOP of the type of game we had in DD1. But no. It's basically all about a cart full of bickering idiots who are insulted by anything and have mental breakdowns over anything. That's the game. A cart full of idiots doing their Groundhog Day 100 times

[Cruna]

Originally posted by gonzo:

Originally posted by No One:

Either you were engaged, in which case you just nuked your entire point.d
Or you took 'countless hours' to realize you weren't having fun, in which case you nuked your credibility. Excuse me while I go refer to a more discerning customer.

Stop. Giving a game far more hours than you normally would, to get a better opinion on it, is not a blow to credibility.

Indeed. Initially I had real issues with it's sort of linear approach to runs, and I explained my problems with the game. Of course I had several hours to try things out, I don't give an opinion on something I barely started, since I don't have a chance to see more of what a game provides. I'm not one of those people who throw opinions after 15 minutes of playing a game. Eventually the game did grow on me, but the grind it's crazy until you unlock more items for more interesting gameplay. For instance the working field shouldn't be a thing, and items should be unlocked by default for random drops or getting them from vendors.

Anyway, I dislike the linear approach for each run, being locked with one team which you can't change until you finish your run. I would have preferred creating teams like in DD1. Also each character's progression is locked on, since you can't create a separate character of the same type (for example you can't have a second runaway that you build differently for variety). And that sucks since if you ever want to change their path or anything you need to kill them and start over with a new character of that class. Because it was the dumbest decision to lock that after a successful run.

The game has brilliant moments however, the visuals are superb, and the combat is fun. The grind sucks, and the locked in characters is a bad idea. But We have to see how the final release will look like. Or maybe it will have future expansions.

[smackerino]

Originally posted by No One:

Let's be honest here.

You're presenting your personal opinion as if it's universal truth.

Among several other errors. The review section is thataway.

Originally posted by Tsela:

after trying DD2 out for countless hours

Um. Ummmm......

Either you were engaged, in which case you just nuked your entire point.
Or you took 'countless hours' to realize you weren't having fun, in which case you nuked your credibility. Excuse me while I go refer to a more discerning customer.

Note that I currently have no plans to buy DD2. I'm not defending the game. I just don't like your so-called argument.

I've only played about 45 minutes and didn't like the game. Is that better?

[Terran]

Darkest Dungeon 2 doesn't look good at all. I tried it and went back to Darkest Dungeon 1. P.S: The DD1 mod "Black Reliquary" is REALLY good!

[Cruna]

Originally posted by Terran:

Darkest Dungeon 2 doesn't look good at all. I tried it and went back to Darkest Dungeon 1. P.S: The DD1 mod "Black Reliquary" is REALLY good!

It doesn't look good?? Are we talking about the same game? :))

[Roywin]

Originally posted by No One:

Let's be honest here.

You're presenting your personal opinion as if it's universal truth.

Among several other errors. The review section is thataway.

Originally posted by Tsela:

after trying DD2 out for countless hours

Um. Ummmm......

Either you were engaged, in which case you just nuked your entire point.
Or you took 'countless hours' to realize you weren't having fun, in which case you nuked your credibility. Excuse me while I go refer to a more discerning customer.

Note that I currently have no plans to buy DD2. I'm not defending the game. I just don't like your so-called argument.

Excuse me, sir, are you a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ moron, an imbecile or just a troll novice?
The criticism is not "valid", because the time of playing was too much? What? Do you need explanation why claim is absolute ass? Or will you figure out on your own?

To get a real feeling of what something is about - it takes time. You can't assess a game based on a first hour, because the first hour is not all there is to it. This is not a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ dishwashing where you can say "these many dishes will take half an hour and be at this level ofdispleasure to wash".
And yeah, you can be doubtful and in two minds about something, especially if you've waited for something long enough and you love the aesthetics, but you just can't bring yourself and admit that you're not having fun.

Your "argument" sucks on many levels that it's not even funny.

[Gemini Holo]

The direction they took with DD2 doesn't appeal to me at all. I'm not sure why they would change it up so drastically unless....some platform offered to bankroll this vanity project in exchange for exclusive early access rights...?

Reminds me of other, smaller studios who had a successful franchise and with one of the sequels decided to just dramatically change the type of game it is and as a result, lost tons of players and never recovered. Specifically, Robot Entertainment when they decided to make Orcs Must Die into a MOBA with OMD Unchained, and that game no longer exists and the staff has gone through numerous layoffs. Also, Trendy Entertainment (now Chromatic Games) who decided Dungeon Defenders 2 was going to also be a MOBA, then scrapped that halfway through development, switched to a free to play model, people hated it, and here we are like 12 years later and Dungeon Defenders 1 is still more popular on Steam than any other Dungeon Defenders game they stitched together since.

I'm certain that when it's all said and done Darkest Dungeon 1 will still be vastly preferred over DD2 and we'll see threads posted about it here every month for year. Then, in 2028 we'll get DD3, which will be more like DD1 and hopefully there will be enough people around to still care.

[DarkestCat1d4]

The duration of the game is similar to dd1,a huge benefit being that you can experience 3 dungeons worth of encounters and fight the final boss within a 3 hour run, of course getting to that point takes time but if you compare them both, dd1 takes 50 min hours to normally beat the final boss in a blind play through, were dd2 takes a similar amount of time when you are early but once you get the hang of it a new save can beat act 1-3 in less then 15 hours.
So its a fair criticism but dd1 has the same problem, if you play 3 hours a day on dd1 it would take a year to beat the game, were dd2 prob like 2 month just off how losing doesn't lower your progression (like hero lv and trinkets) it just doesn't progress you

[No One]

Originally posted by gonzo:

Giving a game far more hours than you normally would, to get a better opinion on it, is not a blow to credibility.

Getting more hours to get the same opinion you started with is a waste of time.

Originally posted by smackerino:

I've only played about 45 minutes and didn't like the game. Is that better?

Yes.
Though you're presenting it as a gotcha, which it isn't.

Originally posted by Roywin:

Excuse me, sir, are you a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ moron

You're a moron? That's too bad.

You'll find living in the modern world is fine as a moron. For example, folk play DD2 like morons and win anyway. Happens all the time.

[smackerino]

Your argument is about as good as DD2. A bad follow-up that doesn't know what it wants to be.

[Cruna]

Originally posted by No One:

Originally posted by gonzo:

Giving a game far more hours than you normally would, to get a better opinion on it, is not a blow to credibility.

Getting more hours to get the same opinion you started with is a waste of time.

What you said there makes absolutely no sense. and you are just trying desperately to make a point here. If someone plays half hour you would say that his opinion is invalid, because he barely even played the game. If someone gives it a fair chance and has an opinion based on quite a bit of experience about the game, he's opinion is invalid because he played too much? lol Careful not to get a heart attack trying too hard to be relevant around here. I've got some sad news for you. Nobody came to you to validate their opinions. It's not like you have some rubber stamp to validate people's opinions here. This is funny really
Kids these days...

[Wittman]

Totally agree with u... I can feel the lack of content. And after buying DD2 on epic, I'm not even sure whether i will buy DD2 again on steam...

[Wyrtt]

Originally posted by No One:

Originally posted by gonzo:

Giving a game far more hours than you normally would, to get a better opinion on it, is not a blow to credibility.

Getting more hours to get the same opinion you started with is a waste of time.

Originally posted by smackerino:

I've only played about 45 minutes and didn't like the game. Is that better?

Yes.
Though you're presenting it as a gotcha, which it isn't.

Originally posted by Roywin:

Excuse me, sir, are you a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ moron

You're a moron? That's too bad.

You'll find living in the modern world is fine as a moron. For example, folk play DD2 like morons and win anyway. Happens all the time.

You got you face pushed into puddle of piss you made. Just silently accept that your argument is garbage like other people pointed out.
Spending many hours to form opinion on strategy game or rpg is how things are done. He already spen money and has a right to find something enjoyable,
Sometimes people can spend hundreds of hours on complex game and come with negative review. Because after spending that much time and learning all mechanics they can finally see how deeply flawed game is.

[Nyaruko]

Originally posted by No One:

Let's be honest here.

You're presenting your personal opinion as if it's universal truth.

Among several other errors. The review section is thataway.

Originally posted by Tsela:

after trying DD2 out for countless hours

Um. Ummmm......

Either you were engaged, in which case you just nuked your entire point.
Or you took 'countless hours' to realize you weren't having fun, in which case you nuked your credibility. Excuse me while I go refer to a more discerning customer.

Note that I currently have no plans to buy DD2. I'm not defending the game. I just don't like your so-called argument.

there's personal opinion and there's facts.
you cant tell the difference

[LustONE]

Originally posted by No One:

Let's be honest here.

You're presenting your personal opinion as if it's universal truth.

OP's post didn't come across to me as an "universal truth" and I appreciated that he shared his opinion.
You might be projecting here.
Trying to discredit someone's argument on the grounds on perhaps delusional projections might say more about the one who is projecting.

Or, you are just trolling. In that case, all good, some people were triggered. So, the day was not wasted after all.

[VastGirth]

Originally posted by Tsela:

Absolutely. I mean here is the thing. I love how the game looks and feels, but... where is the rest of it??
To put it in perspective I had the same problem with for example a game called Othercide. Even if that's a different genre. The point here is the reason behind the roguelike approach.

Othercide is also a really cool looking unique game, which borrows more than enough from Xcom, but it has just breadcrumbs worth of content. So what did they do to make up for that? They made that game roguelike also. Same way, yeah it doesn't even comes close to a full game in the amount of content it provides, but how about you just do it again and again.

I felt exactly the same about othercide. It looked and played really well and would have been a 9/10 game if it had a standard campaign. But the roguelike structure and essentially identical fights against the same enemies again and again just ruined the whole thing.

Roguelikes only work when the gameplay has a large amount of variables so each run feels different. No two games in Slay the Spire are alike for example. I very much get the sense that DD2 is going to be more Othercide than Slay the Spire.