Redhook ignored it's community.

[Sybsidian]

They spent way to much time on the epic store it seems, and have avoided being where their community is. #1 is Steam, #2 is Nexus and #3 is ll, yet still they have only stayed on epic talking to the small number of die hard fan boys who only ever gave them a positive echo chamber.

Here are some examples.

Driving: WTF is this driving mechanic? How is it so bad? How did no one ever step in an say WTF are you doing? At best it's boring, at worst it makes no sense, how are you visiting the same 7 encounters over and over and over again, why do the people never change? Apparently your team of bad ass hero's can't stay ahead of a few people on foot.

Heroes: Where are the communities favorites? Crusader and Vestal are gone? To be what? Put out as DLC???? Again who thought this was a good idea? Either launch it with all the same heroes or make all new ones. There is no excuse for this, the classes have barley changed, there has been more progression made on fan classes released a month ago then these original ones.

Roguelike: Gone are the days of working from scratch and finishing as true hero's of the land. Now you get stronger no matter what. Why even play the game? Just setup and auto fighting key masher, leave the game on for a week and boom, you've got a billion candles. Can't even reset them! Can't learn from mistakes and then try again at the same power level every time you run through a total failure of a run your rewarded regardless of mistakes.

Bought off: They took epics money and ignored their community here for years, now they want us back to give them more money, or hilariously the same amount of money we would have given them is they just stayed here to begin with. Bad, dumb choice that has left the game in a far worse state.


Conclusion. Should you get it?

Yeah, for the same reason I started talking about. The community for DD1 is one of the best there is. I've been modding this game since it came out, I never even played more than an hour on an unmodded version. The community comes up with amazing hero designs with far superior designs and amazing art.

The game will be good because the community makes it so. Might want to hold off on buying it till it's on heavy sale but its the community that makes this game awesome and always has been. The dev's should be ashamed of themselves for abandoning us, but the community is awesome. Both here and everywhere else. Except epic... f those guys.

[Pumpkinreaper]

Originally posted by Sybsidian:

*snip*

I don't blame any developer for not wanting anything to do with Steam's forums.

[Wyrtt]

Any interest I had in this game died after epic shananigans. I would never ever remember about it if not for a random ad.

[Zorp]

Ive extensively tested the game throughout hundreds of hours on epic since the first available version. The problem is the discord and the couple dozen individuals who feel the game deserves no criticism. The game has a lot of problems with RNG as it stands but any negative feedback gets pushed into oblivion - and the game will suffer for it. I feel really bad for Red Hook on this one, they think the neckbeards in that nest are their playerbase but instead they are the reason the game will have mixed reviews on release

The tokens, relationships, loathing and road system in general don't fit well together and the game needs major reworks in those areas on top of lacking a large portion of content

[Flavalicious]

Originally posted by Dr. Moist:

EGS really is a marketing black hole. One of the most acclaimed indie titles in the history of the industry (Darkest Dungeon 1) and its sequel received absolutely 0 hype, sauce or even acknowledgment - all thanks to the EGS exclusivity.

It is. It also instantly curbs all future dlc purchases. Through impatience and my own stupidity i purchased 2 games on EGS about 2-3 years ago. Both games i loved. Both games released 3 dlc each. I would of purchased and replayed the game at least once again to try the new content....But i regret buying them on EGS and im not going to compound my mistake by giving epic more money for their still bleeding cash platform that could shut down anyday now. And im also not rebuying those games.... So i just accept the games dead to me.

Then you get stuff like the new evil dead game or chilvary 2, both came to Steam late. Both were dead by the time they did and did poorly on steam. Turns out new players dont enjoy getting matched into games with people who have a year head start lol...

DD2s only hope for me is it ends up beinf a solid steam deck game that i can pretend isnt a sequel to a much better first game

[Sybsidian]

Originally posted by 이동혁:

this game won't get mods, too complicated compared to dd1

Hi, I'd like to introduce you to Skyrim modding.

[kourkenko]

Originally posted by Sybsidian:

Originally posted by 이동혁:

this game won't get mods, too complicated compared to dd1

Hi, I'd like to introduce you to Skyrim modding.

Ok, i will repeat myself again... DD2 wasn't made with mods in mind (as stated by RH themselves), they don't own the Unity engine and will have to create a programm to let people inject mods into the game BUT will have to pay a fee to unity owner and be CERTAINS this app can't be use on any other game.

Skyrim engine is owned by Bethesda, they made the game around mods and found a very easy way to inject them. Here, we are far from it... And before anything else, (wasting ressources, manpower and so on) on creative this program, they must be certain it's a viable option because for now, the game is dead on water: no hype, nobody speaks about it, streamers views are abysmall and so on... If Red Hook don't hit hard and fast, this game will have no legs left and will be forgotten.

Just remember, they let the Black Reliquary team have their own steam page because they want to keep people playing the first game. Ask yourself: why ? When they need to sell the second one...

[Black Mirror]

https://www.nexusmods.com/darkestdungeon2/mods/

[J4MESOX4D]

Originally posted by Wyrtt:

Any interest I had in this game died after epic shananigans. I would never ever remember about it if not for a random ad.

I forgot this game existed until the demo appeared in the Next Fest a few months back. I then promptly uninstalled that and forgot about it again until today. Seems nothing has changed or improved as the game inches to a full release.

I will never understand why they went to Epic - they were highly established on here and likely didn't need the funding to produce a direct sequel. Instead they took the Epic money, alienated the majority of their playerbase and now it just feels a shameful crawl-back hoping to get paid off again. Completely killed the buzz of the brand and it's such a shame.

[Furin]

Won't buy, won't play, loved the first one.

[Connatic]

Originally posted by J4MESOX4D:

...

I will never understand why they went to Epic - they were highly established on here and likely didn't need the funding to produce a direct sequel...

It was probably all the death threats when they decided to had corpses and heart attacks.

[Trance]

Is there a reason for the Crusader to just getting shafted like that ? assuming it will be, but, according to one of RH latest tweets, the last Hero getting introduced before launch is going to be the Flagellant ... so what gives ? I'm just so disappointed.

[Connatic]

Originally posted by Trance:

Is there a reason for the Crusader to just getting shafted like that ? assuming it will be, but, according to one of RH latest tweets, the last Hero getting introduced before launch is going to be the Flagellant ... so what gives ? I'm just so disappointed.

I'm hoping he becomes a Boss or mini-boss like the Collector. There is always a chance they will bring the Crusader back too in a later update or DLC. Maybe a more twisted version, like what happened with the Flagellant.

I was actually hyped to see we got the Flagellant instead of the Crusader personally.

[Myr Superion]

Originally posted by Trance:

Is there a reason for the Crusader to just getting shafted like that ? assuming it will be, but, according to one of RH latest tweets, the last Hero getting introduced before launch is going to be the Flagellant ... so what gives ? I'm just so disappointed.

He might have been the canon sacrifice from DD1? I get the strong feeling he'll show up as a boss like a certain other former hero already has.

[Trance]

Originally posted by Myr Superion:

Originally posted by Trance:

Is there a reason for the Crusader to just getting shafted like that ? assuming it will be, but, according to one of RH latest tweets, the last Hero getting introduced before launch is going to be the Flagellant ... so what gives ? I'm just so disappointed.

He might have been the canon sacrifice from DD1? I get the strong feeling he'll show up as a boss like a certain other former hero already has.

I've seen people saying that a lot, but on what basis this theory stands upon ?
first of all, there's not even a canon "party" or at least, not that i'm aware of, secondly, the Vestal is one of the few heroes that when selected for the sacrifices, she objects because she's scared ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, unlike the crusader who, like the chad he is he actually approves and immolates himself when chosen, so i don't know, from what i know in one of the earliest preview of DD2 the Crusader's helm appeared in one of the official art of the game, still, if he shows up, whether as a Villain like the Inquisitor or as a Hero later its fine by me, but i have a strong feeling that, if true, it got shafted due to external factors, and i hope i'm wrong.

[kourkenko]

Originally posted by Black Mirror:

https://www.nexusmods.com/darkestdungeon2/mods/

And it's stricly what i said about mods for DD2, pics change for NPcs and some cheats (like improving trinkets), no new characters, no new regions, no new monsters and so on. It just tooks few weeks to have the first moded character in DD1, you will not see them for a looooong time in the second game... If at all.