Shadows Over Loathing

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kelticpete Nov 14, 2022 @ 11:49pm
How do you get to 15 in each stat?
So I finally just was able to hit 13 in all stats.

I have the cat boon that gives a +1 to all 3 stats.
food that gives +1 to all 3 stats.
i lost battles on purpose until I think i can't be buffed anymore by it.

I have the accessory that gives you a plus 1 to all 3 stats (monster club sash)

at a loss.
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Mauman Nov 14, 2022 @ 11:51pm 
potions and booze?
kelticpete Nov 15, 2022 @ 12:00am 
the booze i have adds +1 to two stats. don't know of a one that does all 3.
same for potions.. which btw I had forgotten to take and lucked out and got random +1 to 2 stats on unstable potion

so now I am at 14/14/13
Dazeychain Nov 15, 2022 @ 12:02am 
The cursed books can give you permanent +stats if you're sufficiently shadow tainted
Ariamaki Nov 15, 2022 @ 12:20am 
Maybe if you haven't used the bath tub from the junkyard, which I think might be once per entire file? That's another +1 to all.
Tuskai Nov 15, 2022 @ 6:25am 
I did it, and I needed Booze for +1 to two stats, The Monster Sash for +1 to each stat, one of the +1 to two stat hats and Pants, one of the underground diner foods that gives +1 to two stats, one of the +1 dual stat potions, the shadow books +1 to each stat, Maxed out basic tree (Of course), the mini lightning ball for +1 mysticality, The Puckwudgie statue for +1 to another stat, +1 stats from surrendering fights, +1 to two stats from the dream sequence chain... And the hot tub in the Junkyard for the +1 to all three stats. I also had all the perks for raising stats throughout the game, most people usually miss the +1 mysticallity from using the fortune tellers tent 3 times.

You basically need to tailor your run to achieve this, but there was some wiggle room, I missed out on the maggot (Which is a hat with +1 to every stat) and one of the foods that gives +1 to all three stats.
Cat Nov 15, 2022 @ 6:34am 
What maggot?
Tuskai Nov 15, 2022 @ 6:39am 
Originally posted by Sunricer:
What maggot?

You can get the Maggot hat from the Frog God quest, side with the humans, then do the follow up quest to clear the escape tunnel, then destroy the maggot pile (I don't know if you can skip the gorey details, I went through the gorey details) and you'll get the Maggot hat.
kelticpete Nov 15, 2022 @ 2:31pm 
Originally posted by Tuskai:
I did it, and I needed Booze for +1 to two stats, The Monster Sash for +1 to each stat, one of the +1 to two stat hats and Pants, one of the underground diner foods that gives +1 to two stats, one of the +1 dual stat potions, the shadow books +1 to each stat, Maxed out basic tree (Of course), the mini lightning ball for +1 mysticality, The Puckwudgie statue for +1 to another stat, +1 stats from surrendering fights, +1 to two stats from the dream sequence chain... And the hot tub in the Junkyard for the +1 to all three stats. I also had all the perks for raising stats throughout the game, most people usually miss the +1 mysticallity from using the fortune tellers tent 3 times.

You basically need to tailor your run to achieve this, but there was some wiggle room, I missed out on the maggot (Which is a hat with +1 to every stat) and one of the foods that gives +1 to all three stats.


the hottub in the junkward i missed. does it need to be hooked up?

and i also need puckwudgie
HuggyBear Nov 15, 2022 @ 2:47pm 
You can get another +1 to all stats by losing fights repeatedly, each time you lose you'll get a buff that can coexist with other losing fight buffs
Dorf Nov 16, 2022 @ 9:24pm 
https://i.imgur.com/Q5jmrdW.png
Here's everything I used to get 15. It'd be easier if I saved the bath in the junkyard or used the evil book but I got there.
随便玩玩 Nov 18, 2022 @ 6:11pm 
if you choose potion store, it sells all +1 potion
Fuhrer Nov 18, 2022 @ 10:30pm 
Originally posted by kelticpete:
Originally posted by Tuskai:
I did it, and I needed Booze for +1 to two stats, The Monster Sash for +1 to each stat, one of the +1 to two stat hats and Pants, one of the underground diner foods that gives +1 to two stats, one of the +1 dual stat potions, the shadow books +1 to each stat, Maxed out basic tree (Of course), the mini lightning ball for +1 mysticality, The Puckwudgie statue for +1 to another stat, +1 stats from surrendering fights, +1 to two stats from the dream sequence chain... And the hot tub in the Junkyard for the +1 to all three stats. I also had all the perks for raising stats throughout the game, most people usually miss the +1 mysticallity from using the fortune tellers tent 3 times.

You basically need to tailor your run to achieve this, but there was some wiggle room, I missed out on the maggot (Which is a hat with +1 to every stat) and one of the foods that gives +1 to all three stats.


the hottub in the junkward i missed. does it need to be hooked up?

and i also need puckwudgie
Nope, the tub is in a room south of where the piggy bank was in the junk yard. Just be warned it is ONE TIME USE. For the Puckwudgie statue, just wipe out the buildings in their village then come back again.
Blackhorseman Nov 19, 2022 @ 12:55am 
So, I have the carnival achievement, but I'm by no means a specialist. A few things to consider:

Debuffs: Don't have any. Our math will be tight. The Geas from the ancestral sword can be removed at the curse removal station, combat debuffs can be removed in any bathroom sink. The "cracked knucle" debuff from destroying the shadow tower with your hands can't be removed, to my knowledge. The 15 in everything is a late game thing and I would encourage you to start it as soon as you get the Key to the Black House.

Perks: There are *many* perks you need to consider to make it work. The dentist at Maize Maze (in Drexel Stead) gives +1 moxie (Perfect Teeth), you can get +1 muscle, moxie and mysticality from the prisioners at the Federal Prision in Govt. Valley (Hard Time Hard Body, Expert Whistler, Daydream Believer, respectively), you can get a perk for +1 for muscle, moxie and mysticality (Angry, Aloof, Contemplative, respectively) by giving up on fights (you have to enter the fight and surrender, bailing from the fight altogether will usually give you a debuff instead), you have +1 muscle as a reward for returning cremains to the cathedral in Ocean City (St. Polycarp's Forehead), you get +1 by finishing the Marvin questline in Ocean City (Expert Sitter) and you *can* get 1 muscle, moxie and mysticality from the Librum Umbra Malum Ovilla if you are doing the evil ending. They will be in the "Corruption of the Self" skilltree (The Shadow's Protection, Vanity and Vision, respectively).

Buffs: Again, a number of buffs to consider: You can get +1 muscle buff from the Chiropractor (Well-Adjusted, costs 1 crack), +1 to your mainstat from Orb Touched (from the Orb available at the Radio Shack, in The Big Moist. Once acquired it will be available in your room in Ocean City) and you must absolutely have the +1 to all atributes given by Hot Bath, from the hot bathtube available on the left side of the Junkyard, in Crystaldream Lake. It is a one time buff and it will reset once you sleep, so leave it for the very end.

Food and Potion choice: Not a lot of variety here - the "Fruit Advertisement" food you get from junk mail (that you can open, starting in the final chapter) will grant you +1 to all atributes with no shadow taint associated, making it the best choice. If you chose the potion store for one of the empty storefronts between chapters (Ye Old Chemicker), she will sell the noble elixir, which again grants +1 to all atributes with no shadow taint associated. It will only be available during the final chapter.

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Drinks, Equipment and Miscellaneous: I would advise you to pull all of the above first before considering what will be below. There aren't many optimized things left to do, so you should be aware of what you are missing and plan accordingly.

Equipment: Gear offers a suprisingly small volume of atributes in the grand scheme of things.

Hat: If you have access to the Maggot Helmet (available at the Haim Quarry, in The Big Moist. It will be in the maggot pile once you enter the cave with the flies to the left of the frog god statue. To get the helmet you should return the emerald eye to the frog god, without caring for the questline that unlocks the Freaky Frogday achievement). If you have it, +1 to everything and the best choice. If you don't, Puckwudgies drop the green, orange and purple puckwudgie hats, that will give a +1 to two atributes, which are the next best thing.

Weapon and Offhand: In multiple playthroughs I'm yet to find any weapon or offhand that gives stats. If you have one, use that.

Accessory: A maxed out Monster Club Sash (available once you complete the Monster Club questline in The Big Moist) is, to me, non-negotiable, since it gives a +1 to everything.

Ring: In multiple playthroughs I'm yet to find any ring that gives stats. If you have one, use that.

Pants: If you have access to the pants store in Ocean City, the Weathered Jeans offer +1 moxie and +1 muscle. To my knowledge, only the Ciabatta's Pants (reward for clearing the Snackle Mills, in Ocean City) offer a modest +1 mysticality.

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Final Touches:

* If you have a well stocked speakeasy you will have a fancy cocktail available that will give +1 to TWO atributes. Pick the ones you lack most. You can use the overlap between the buffs from cocktails and the green, orange and purple puckwudgie hats to cover gaps, but be strategic about it.

* You can get a +1 to an atribute of your choice through a cat boon. Choose the one that you lack most.

* You can get a +1 to any stat of your choice from the Puckwudgie Village (as soon as Grey County becomes available you can wander around, get the location, wipe out the non refilling portion of village, finish the chapter, sleep and return to the village - The puckwudgies will have made a statue of you that you can take to live in your room in Ocean City).

All in all, I was able to get a triple 16 in all my stats, showing this is possible even without the Shadow Perks, which is most likely by design from Assymetric. Happy hunting.
Mauman Nov 19, 2022 @ 1:02am 
There's a cat in the prologue that can be unlocked by wearing the shorts fished from the toilet (you need to actually have the fishing rod equipped to get the prompt) that increases all three stats by 1. You interact with it in your dreams.
Ccstewy Nov 28, 2022 @ 10:27pm 
Originally posted by Mauman:
There's a cat in the prologue that can be unlocked by wearing the shorts fished from the toilet (you need to actually have the fishing rod equipped to get the prompt) that increases all three stats by 1. You interact with it in your dreams.
I'd like to note that it cannot be interacted with inside the 4th dream (the dream after The Big Moist and before Gray County.) Because the cat refuses to speak to you in that dream, for reasons that I'm sure are quite apparent.

However, you are able to interact with it in the dream before Government Valley.
Last edited by Ccstewy; Nov 28, 2022 @ 10:27pm
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