This game is actively "nerfing" us, let me explain.

[El Tello]

Look, I know this will sound F crazy like tinfoil hat crazy I know but, just hear me out.

I've been playing MW3 since it started almost a year ago. Half the year was mainly Multiplayer, the other half Warzone and my beloved Plunder.

This "nerfing us" thing started since season 1 and the pattern is so very clear:

You do well on match = you get wrecked the next 3-4 MP rounds. Kinda the same for Warzone: You do well one plunder = you will get owned the next 2 or 3.

At first, this was kinda hard to pin-point, this is due the type of guns I was using Assault Rifles, SMG, etc. Fast firing weapons.

You see, with those kind of guns its pretty easy for the devs to "hide" the nerf, they fire fast, you will naturally miss some shots and just think you aim is not good that gaming session.

But things get interesting when you move to really fast to kill weapons, im talking 1-2-Shot shotguns and alike.

Now, this has become clear as day with the new JAK Voltstorm conversion kit for the Stormender. This thing is super fun to play with right now as its ONE SHOT KILL even in warzone vs a fully plated player.

As long as you are with-in 7 meters, it will ONE SHOT KILL.

So, I consider myself a saavy shotgun player, got more than 5K kills on my Lookwood 680 alone. Probably 4k with my beloved Reclaimer 18 and 1000's more with the other shotguns combined. Point is i know how to use them and when to use them.

Enter the JAK Voltstorm. The FIRST match i played with this thing i dominated the area. Did 6 squad wipes, me (alone) vs 3 and 4 player squads. It was an absolute delight to use. Perfected my timing with it and saw exactly when will OSK and when will it won't.

Match ended, my score was 25 kills and i think i died only once. Anyway, super fun and good match for me.

Next match it was horrible. The gun wasn't ONE SHOTING anymore to anyone, at any range, not even at point blank range and not even vs 2 plated players that were just landing from their parachute. With this conversion kit my theory that this game is nerfing you after a good match turned clear as day.

With a gun like this its nearly IMPOSSIBLE to miss at 2-4 meters, for me as an experienced shotguner that is. It was super clear the game decided to nerf my outgoing damage cuz I had a very good previous match. So it was my time to suck and let others "have fun".

Death after death this confirmed my theory. Its simply impossible to not get those kills that just the match before i was consistently getting.

Check'd ping, latency and packet loss, all those were good super low and zero Packet loss.

My conclusion is:

This game is actively manipulating (lowering) your output damage after a good match to make you loose (let others have fun) in a systematic and viscous way.

I cant come up with exactly how much they are nerfing the output damage, but giving the fact this gun can ONE SHOT a 3 plated player and when I got nefed I couldn't even ONESHOT 2-plated players at point blank. So the nerf has to be around 40-50%

So again, call me crazy but one year later I alone don't have a shred of doubt this game is manipulating my damage to let others win. Also believe it is possible for the devs to add people that buy skins and put them in some white list that overrides this nerf for x mount of time or matches.

Thoughts?

[DemonKing]

ok not being mean, like giving my actual thoughts but I've NEVER had this issue. Unless ofc I miss shots. But the shots that hit always feel like regular shots so idk what you're experiencing tbh

[dont]

This is not from Mw3 it has been here since like mw2019 and its called EOMM. You not crazy just look it up. Its getting worst every year thats why its more noticble.
Trash publishers ruining devs work with EOMM. every game feels like ♥♥♥♥ and even when I do good its rigged.
You dont win even if u win but keep buying those skins pls they need money

[LetM3WorK]

Originally posted by DemonKing:

ok not being mean, like giving my actual thoughts but I've NEVER had this issue. Unless ofc I miss shots. But the shots that hit always feel like regular shots so idk what you're experiencing tbh

You barely play COD, so obviously you don't have the awareness.

He is talking about damage nerfs which are apparent, even more with snipers.

I experienced it right when the game released. The preorder vault blueprint for the sniper was the best QS setup at the time and always 1 shot in firing range or private lobbies. But online? Point blank headshot hitmarkers - it's a joke. MP not WZ.

I have clips where I knife right through someone, after going on a 4 man killingspree with just knifing. I had throwing knifes just bounce of the enemy etc.

Also youtube is full of clips from people experiencing the same thing.

[arobro]

"Thoughts?" - I think you are watching too much YouTube and are repeating what you have heard. Unfortunately many of the YouTubers are either misinformed or dishonest on what is a very complex topic.

1. Activision has explicitly denied many of these arguments.

“Does the Call of Duty matchmaking process impact any in-game elements such as hit registration, player visibility, aim assist, damage, et cetera? No. Our matchmaking process does not impact gameplay elements.”

“Does spending money on Call of Duty content (such as bundles, Battle Pass, or BlackCell) change how players are matched? Money spent does not in any way, shape or form, factor into matchmaking.”

2. In reaching your conclusion, you state you “Check'd ping” You can only check ping between your device and the server, not the other players connected to the server. COD has lag compensation that artificially slows down ping by design to give players with bad ping less disadvantage. The ping between you and the player is not displayed in COD, so lag compensation can not be ruled out.

3. Flawed logic - “Death after death this confirmed my theory” No – that would not confirm a theory as there are other explanations. Does win after win disprove the theory?

4. “I alone don't have a shred of doubt this game is manipulating my damage to let others win”. In terms of multiplayer, we could start by knowing what your win-loose ratio is. Not having a “shred of doubt” is an extremely high standard.

5. Without the use of bots – there are many statistical problems with changing the outcome of a game. If Activision makes someone lose in team death match, someone else has to win.

6. “You do well on match = you get wrecked the next 3-4 MP rounds.” It's not statically possible across a large sample. 50% of players will win multiplayer, 50% will lose. Again, let's see if your win: loose ratio supports this claim.

Just over a week ago, I played these consecutive games without even trying. I haven’t brought any skins in MWIII. I did well and did not get wrecked in the next game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmxYRVBVu8A
Game 1: 27 Kills, 1.5 KD
Game 2: 54 Kills
Game 3: 250 to 21 Hardpoint
Game 4: 3:20 individual time on hardpoint
Game 5: 3:29 individual time on hardpoint

[DemonKing]

Originally posted by LetM3WorK:

Originally posted by DemonKing:

ok not being mean, like giving my actual thoughts but I've NEVER had this issue. Unless ofc I miss shots. But the shots that hit always feel like regular shots so idk what you're experiencing tbh

You barely play COD, so obviously you don't have the awareness.

He is talking about damage nerfs which are apparent, even more with snipers.

I experienced it right when the game released. The preorder vault blueprint for the sniper was the best QS setup at the time and always 1 shot in firing range or private lobbies. But online? Point blank headshot hitmarkers - it's a joke. MP not WZ.

I have clips where I knife right through someone, after going on a 4 man killingspree with just knifing. I had throwing knifes just bounce of the enemy etc.

Also youtube is full of clips from people experiencing the same thing.

I have played a ton of COD this is not my only account and also I used to play on console, besides the point anyways because hundreds and hundreds of hours I've almost strictly played multiplayer. I don't really fw campaigns (though I do mess w zombies or have). But like I said typically when I "experience" shots not hitting, it's either their lag or mine. BUT when my shots do connect even when I go crazy the previous games, they never feel off or feel like they're "nerfed" they feel completely normal. Now im not saying the poster or other people don't have issues because they probably do, due to the way COD is set up the other person could be spiking in ping which creates an issue where they play normally but sometimes your shots don't connect despite them looking perfectly fine. I've actually been on the receiving end of that where I quickly spike and i'm like "♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that guys shots def should've hit me". Or it could just be a simple bug of sometype that gives the illusion of shots hitting on client side, who knows. But def not what the original poster is suggesting.

[DemonKing]

Originally posted by arobro:

"Thoughts?" - I think you are watching too much YouTube and are repeating what you have heard. Unfortunately many of the YouTubers are either misinformed or dishonest on what is a very complex topic.

1. Activision has explicitly denied many of these arguments.

“Does the Call of Duty matchmaking process impact any in-game elements such as hit registration, player visibility, aim assist, damage, et cetera? No. Our matchmaking process does not impact gameplay elements.”

“Does spending money on Call of Duty content (such as bundles, Battle Pass, or BlackCell) change how players are matched? Money spent does not in any way, shape or form, factor into matchmaking.”

2. In reaching your conclusion, you state you “Check'd ping” You can only check ping between your device and the server, not the other players connected to the server. COD has lag compensation that artificially slows down ping by design to give players with bad ping less disadvantage. The ping between you and the player is not displayed in COD, so lag compensation can not be ruled out.

3. Flawed logic - “Death after death this confirmed my theory” No – that would not confirm a theory as there are other explanations. Does win after win disprove the theory?

4. “I alone don't have a shred of doubt this game is manipulating my damage to let others win”. In terms of multiplayer, we could start by knowing what your win-loose ratio is. Not having a “shred of doubt” is an extremely high standard.

5. Without the use of bots – there are many statistical problems with changing the outcome of a game. If Activision makes someone lose in team death match, someone else has to win.

6. “You do well on match = you get wrecked the next 3-4 MP rounds.” It's not statically possible across a large sample. 50% of players will win multiplayer, 50% will lose. Again, let's see if your win: loose ratio supports this claim.

Just over a week ago, I played these consecutive games without even trying. I haven’t brought any skins in MWIII. I did well and did not get wrecked in the next game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmxYRVBVu8A
Game 1: 27 Kills, 1.5 KD
Game 2: 54 Kills
Game 3: 250 to 21 Hardpoint
Game 4: 3:20 individual time on hardpoint
Game 5: 3:29 individual time on hardpoint

your second point is around the same thing I was thinking tbh.

[vær snill]

You are opened SBMM and EOMM, congrats.
More on that: if you buy bundle in Store -- this bundle gun will be good for a couple of matches. Later it "balance out" do default.
This ♥♥♥♥ confirmed like SBMM and EOMM.
So, better just don't play this game and not support this small greedy indie company.

[DemonKing]

Originally posted by vær snill:

You are opened SBMM and EOMM, congrats.
More on that: if you buy bundle in Store -- this bundle gun will be good for a couple of matches. Later it "balance out" do default.
This ♥♥♥♥ confirmed like SBMM and EOMM.
So, better just don't play this game and not support this small greedy indie company.

to clarify I don't like activision (I detest the way they operate, multiple lawsuits for s3xual assaults etc. Plus the blizzard stuff which again same lawsuits) but if you don't like the game then....just don't play? You don't have to jump to crazy tinfoil hat conclusions to justify not liking the game or company...you can simply just not like them.
Also as far as I've ever seen this has never been factually proven so idk what you mean by "confirmed". And again as someone who used to play COD all the time on a variety of systems never ONCE have I ever thought or felt like I was being nerfed, even when I would go like 30k 0d in a lobby.

[vær snill]

Originally posted by arobro:

Yeah, belive a billion dollar company denies of manipulating player experience is a wise descition! Keep it up!

[vær snill]

Originally posted by DemonKing:

Originally posted by vær snill:

You are opened SBMM and EOMM, congrats.
More on that: if you buy bundle in Store -- this bundle gun will be good for a couple of matches. Later it "balance out" do default.
This ♥♥♥♥ confirmed like SBMM and EOMM.
So, better just don't play this game and not support this small greedy indie company.

to clarify I don't like activision (I detest the way they operate, multiple lawsuits for s3xual assaults etc. Plus the blizzard stuff which again same lawsuits) but if you don't like the game then....just don't play? You don't have to jump to crazy tinfoil hat conclusions to justify not liking the game or company...you can simply just not like them.
Also as far as I've ever seen this has never been factually proven so idk what you mean by "confirmed". And again as someone who used to play COD all the time on a variety of systems never ONCE have I ever thought or felt like I was being nerfed, even when I would go like 30k 0d in a lobby.

Player reports (videos and posts) is the only conformation we have. Experience -- second.
If they show us source code of their algorithms -- we'll see.
Otherwise there is no point to belive them.

[DemonKing]

Originally posted by vær snill:

Originally posted by DemonKing:

to clarify I don't like activision (I detest the way they operate, multiple lawsuits for s3xual assaults etc. Plus the blizzard stuff which again same lawsuits) but if you don't like the game then....just don't play? You don't have to jump to crazy tinfoil hat conclusions to justify not liking the game or company...you can simply just not like them.
Also as far as I've ever seen this has never been factually proven so idk what you mean by "confirmed". And again as someone who used to play COD all the time on a variety of systems never ONCE have I ever thought or felt like I was being nerfed, even when I would go like 30k 0d in a lobby.

Player reports (videos and posts) is the only conformation we have. Experience -- second.
If they show us source code of their algorithms -- we'll see.
Otherwise there is no point to belive them.

player reports aren't accurate at all though because again interactions between clients can cause issues with shots for example if someone is "spiking" and you shoot them as they spike, it's fairly likely your shot will seem to "connect" but then do no dmg, of course if you shoot them right after the shots should connect. So no player reports even videos ARE NOT RELIABLE enough to determine this. On top of bugs that are purely visual of course.
And it wouldn't matter if they showed the source code because the source code has nothing to do with that lmao, also you wouldn't be able to read it.

[El Tello]

Agghh you again arobro? I'm sure you are just pasting ChatGPT responses to any posts you engage with. I will not reply to any more of your posts.

To everyone else that also posted, good to hear im not the only one that noticed this. I also played a fair bit of MW2019 and i honestly dont recall my damage being nerfed at least not THIS blatantly obvious as with MW3.

I dont expect things to change or improve with BO6 or the next warzone. In fact all this BS is prone to increase. Its good to know that DeltaForce is just around the corner and the new Off The Grid game is kinda cool. Solid contender to replace warzone for sure, but only if they manage to optimize it and make it dont run like dog water as it is now.

[arobro]

On the lag compensation, when COD chooses to slow down a player's 'real' ping, there is a lot of implications, does the game slow down the audio speed or change the audio timing to match the other players? If the game changes the audio, should the graphics be synced to that audio? If yes, the implication is you have to graphically alter the kill cam.

[vær snill]

Originally posted by DemonKing:

Originally posted by vær snill:

Player reports (videos and posts) is the only conformation we have. Experience -- second.
If they show us source code of their algorithms -- we'll see.
Otherwise there is no point to belive them.

player reports aren't accurate at all though because again interactions between clients can cause issues with shots for example if someone is "spiking" and you shoot them as they spike, it's fairly likely your shot will seem to "connect" but then do no dmg, of course if you shoot them right after the shots should connect. So no player reports even videos ARE NOT RELIABLE enough to determine this. On top of bugs that are purely visual of course.
And it wouldn't matter if they showed the source code because the source code has nothing to do with that lmao, also you wouldn't be able to read it.

XD
you not even payed by them. why bother defending them so hard?
source code will definetly show this. 4sho.

there is no world in which in one session you: 1 game "performe", other 2-3 -- get rolled hard, 1 game -- goes descent, and then get rolled again. Some rollercoaster and you are "performing"

Game will inevitably force you to 1 K.D +-

they are clearly manipulating matches, Q of players, damage, ping and server choice.

But you free to belive that they dont

[vær snill]

Originally posted by El Tello:

Agghh you again arobro? I'm sure you are just pasting ChatGPT responses to any posts you engage with. I will not reply to any more of your posts.

To everyone else that also posted, good to hear im not the only one that noticed this. I also played a fair bit of MW2019 and i honestly dont recall my damage being nerfed at least not THIS blatantly obvious as with MW3.

I dont expect things to change or improve with BO6 or the next warzone. In fact all this BS is prone to increase. Its good to know that DeltaForce is just around the corner and the new Off The Grid game is kinda cool. Solid contender to replace warzone for sure, but only if they manage to optimize it and make it dont run like dog water as it is now.

Yup. I switch from CoD this year (around 3 season). Can't stand this clown fiesta anymore. :D
Delta, waiting new Battlefield and other games is better experience than this manipulative noncense.