PC players vs Console players don't stand a chance

[nOObyRider]

Do any of you PC players feel that on this game we have no chance against "aim assist" of those amazing console skill players?
Asking for a friend,,,,

[Chronic Complainer Reviews]

Originally posted by Larry:

Originally posted by Naughty Maggot:

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Just to back up this guy's write up:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnG_qARLhlQ

If everyone can slow the video down to 0.25 speed and fast forward to 8:59. No human can do that and land 90% of the shots.

And you can see the aim assist track the second guy's head as he's coming up the stairs. The aim assist literally locks onto him. The third guy the aim assist is correcting his movement to the left and keeps veering toward the third player. The reason he didn't get the kill is because he's turning left because he hasn't realised he's killed the second guy just yet - visually he's still tracking the second guy who he's killed but the game moves tracking to the third guy who is alive. This was a 3v1 and the aim assist literally tracks people's heads when they poke up for a fraction of a second. The entire engagement takes place over 2 seconds(Starts at 9:00 and finishes(He runs out of ammo) at 9:02).

It's pretty bad.

Also, this is what I'm experiencing when using KB&M:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPyHm1gxOUc

See how it takes six shots for him to kill this guy at point blank including a headshot(Headshot just before the last killing shot). Time: 6:14 for reference. Change speed to 0.25. That's six times it's registered hits connecting(He hit many more times from the looks of it though).

And if you look at 07:35 it takes him six shots with 3 headshots to get the kill on that player... I mean... How is this possible? It feels like if you play on PC you need 1-2 extra hits to kill a player. This isn't normal.

This has nothing to do with kb+m vs controller. Back before MW2 launched Activision made a patent on a new system that allows them to modify anything in the game in real time. This allows them for example to reduce how much damage your bullets do to your enemies (either by reducing your damage, or by giving players an invisible hp damage shield that absorbs the damage of up to a few bullets before they start actually taking damage), literally make players invisible to you for some duration (so you cant kill them when their spawning, or so they can catch you off guard to get free shots in), and even predict and make predictions a reality when you are having connectivity issues (packet loss, packet burst, and so on). This means if you experience some sort of connectivity issue while playing, they can assume you did x, then say you did x, and then that happens, even if you did not do what they predicted. Hit registration can also be messed with in real time. They can even adjust the difficulty of your aiming by adding resistance to make precision aiming more difficult.

All of these things that happen automatically in real time as a match progresses is the reason the gap between a pc and controller player has shrunk so much. They have the ability to build in handicaps on pc players with a major advantage.

[Blunt Raps]

Originally posted by Larry:

Originally posted by Naughty Maggot:

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Just to back up this guy's write up:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnG_qARLhlQ

If everyone can slow the video down to 0.25 speed and fast forward to 8:59. No human can do that and land 90% of the shots.

And you can see the aim assist track the second guy's head as he's coming up the stairs. The aim assist literally locks onto him. The third guy the aim assist is correcting his movement to the left and keeps veering toward the third player. The reason he didn't get the kill is because he's turning left because he hasn't realised he's killed the second guy just yet - visually he's still tracking the second guy who he's killed but the game moves tracking to the third guy who is alive. This was a 3v1 and the aim assist literally tracks people's heads when they poke up for a fraction of a second. The entire engagement takes place over 2 seconds(Starts at 9:00 and finishes(He runs out of ammo) at 9:02).

It's pretty bad.

Also, this is what I'm experiencing when using KB&M:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPyHm1gxOUc

See how it takes six shots for him to kill this guy at point blank including a headshot(Headshot just before the last killing shot). Time: 6:14 for reference. Change speed to 0.25. That's six times it's registered hits connecting(He hit many more times from the looks of it though).

And if you look at 07:35 it takes him six shots with 3 headshots to get the kill on that player... I mean... How is this possible? It feels like if you play on PC you need 1-2 extra hits to kill a player. This isn't normal.

That 1st video is super sus.
His camera cut at 8:53 lol. Hes locked right onto the guys core as hes jumping lol
Thats not aim assist. Dudes a cheater

As for it tugging towards someone through a wall (in general, not talking about his clip)... That does happen, and pretty much always has. But its not common or easy to reproduce (even if you're trying to, in a private lobby). The only way to be getting it consistently is with a cronus or something. Since black ops 1, its happened to me twice, where i was tracking someone through a wall. Its pretty rare.

Edit: and yes... Theres definitely something up with inconsistent damage.

[Chronic Complainer Reviews]

Originally posted by Naughty Maggot:

As for game alterations, they're all bannable and plenty of controller users are using cheat hardware without any backlash and have been doing so for over a decade. At least PC anti-cheat is well developed and does consistently instantly ban users.

Apparently cronus users are being "tracked" and might even receive a warning if found to be legitimate. That's it, no information on if it's actually working or if anyone has actually been banned using them.

There are multiple other devices that are used and nothing has been mentioned regarding them. PC hackers get an instant ban. No questions asked (and so they should). But for controller cheaters (if they can even detect them) to only receive warnings is laughable.

- Modifications to the games graphics and lighting, including LuT's is not bannable and has been officially approved. They are used in competitive environments all the time.

- Cronus / Xim / ect are not ban-able because they do not modify the game in any way. As such you should realize they are gimmick products that do not actually improve gameplay. All these controllers are is peripherals with built in customizable macros they can be activated during x event. So yeah you can have a macro that tilts down on your right stick when you aim and shoot a gun to better control the recoil automatically but you still need to aim, so is it really any more beneficial than just aiming and controlling recoil on your own? You can have a macro so you can just press a button to automatically slide cancel, or automatically prone for drop shots, ect, but those are not really beneficial, especially not for literally every gun fight across a match. These controllers are trash. They offer 0 benefits, and anyone who buys them is a sucker who just got scammed.

- Console hacks do exist. They require you to have oldest version of a console, that has never been updated, and you have to spend time modifying the console to allow you to run custom software, and then modify the system to allow you to play online games on an outdated console, which is not possible on any console that has ever been updated. The reason console doesn't have ricochet is because the amount of consoles out there that can be used to actually cheat are rare. Sony has its own built it anti cheat in the form of data obfuscation and encryption which you will never bypass without the mentioned above method. Any console "hacks" that you can find online that require a 3rd party device are not hacks. Their just macros. Just like on PC no game in the world can detect macros recorded to a keyboard directly, no console or pc is going to detect macros sent from a controller, ie a peripheral. There's a reason you can't make a macro for the FN key on a keyboard, keyboards with buttons like this, or buttons for macros are custom built to send the inputs from a keyboard, and there is nothing you can do to simulate that from the pc itself, and likewise a PC can not distinguish those inputs from inputs made automatically, or from a user.

[Blunt Raps]

Originally posted by Chronic Complainer Reviews:

Originally posted by Naughty Maggot:

As for game alterations, they're all bannable and plenty of controller users are using cheat hardware without any backlash and have been doing so for over a decade. At least PC anti-cheat is well developed and does consistently instantly ban users.

Apparently cronus users are being "tracked" and might even receive a warning if found to be legitimate. That's it, no information on if it's actually working or if anyone has actually been banned using them.

There are multiple other devices that are used and nothing has been mentioned regarding them. PC hackers get an instant ban. No questions asked (and so they should). But for controller cheaters (if they can even detect them) to only receive warnings is laughable.

- Modifications to the games graphics and lighting, including LuT's is not bannable and has been officially approved. They are used in competitive environments all the time.

- Cronus / Xim / ect are not ban-able because they do not modify the game in any way. As such you should realize they are gimmick products that do not actually improve gameplay. All these controllers are is peripherals with built in customizable macros they can be activated during x event. So yeah you can have a macro that tilts down on your right stick when you aim and shoot a gun to better control the recoil automatically but you still need to aim, so is it really any more beneficial than just aiming and controlling recoil on your own? You can have a macro so you can just press a button to automatically slide cancel, or automatically prone for drop shots, ect, but those are not really beneficial, especially not for literally every gun fight across a match. These controllers are trash. They offer 0 benefits, and anyone who buys them is a sucker who just got scammed.

- Console hacks do exist. They require you to have oldest version of a console, that has never been updated, and you have to spend time modifying the console to allow you to run custom software, and then modify the system to allow you to play online games on an outdated console, which is not possible on any console that has ever been updated. The reason console doesn't have ricochet is because the amount of consoles out there that can be used to actually cheat are rare. Sony has its own built it anti cheat in the form of data obfuscation and encryption which you will never bypass without the mentioned above method. Any console "hacks" that you can find online that require a 3rd party device are not hacks. Their just macros. Just like on PC no game in the world can detect macros recorded to a keyboard directly, no console or pc is going to detect macros sent from a controller, ie a peripheral. There's a reason you can't make a macro for the FN key on a keyboard, keyboards with buttons like this, or buttons for macros are custom built to send the inputs from a keyboard, and there is nothing you can do to simulate that from the pc itself, and likewise a PC can not distinguish those inputs from inputs made automatically, or from a user.

A cronus or xim can do more than that though.

U can download profiles for them that *abuse* aim assist, and gives you something fairly close to an aimbot. U can also use a kb/m with it, get the abused aimbot with it, and appear as a controller player.

[Monk]

If your on mouse and keyboard move to hardcore only, it's all about accuracy and reaction so the aim assist factor is og a far lower impact, you can use all the guns too without feeling gimped :)

As for the clips, I good player could easily track like that, the thing is, you need to be a very good player, where as the aim assist let's everyone pull it off.

Appearing to need more hits sometimes is just a factor of their very low tick rate servers combined with the individuals latency, see my previous answer about moving to HC mode to alieviate it.

[Nomeat710]

alot of these people havent played around with the new TacStance yet and it shows. Had to use it for a zombies camo and to me it feels like aim bot even on M and K. When i have it off i miss alot of shots on a mimic and i know im not the best aim but while i have that stance on i can hit most of my shots and them be crits same with zombies too. only time i hit body shots is when im moving so theres that plus the standard controller Aim Assist....

[badm0f0]

What is a Cronus Zen and how does it work in CoD MW3 & Warzone?
The Cronus Zen is a device that allows users to use macros and digitally modify their controllers on most platforms. It can be used with the majority of controllers and potentially allow players to gain an unfair advantage.

Once connected, players run scripts via their Cronus which can range greatly. While it does have some use for accessibility and single-player games, it is best known for cheating in competitive titles like Modern Warfare 3 & Warzone.

[Pest]

Over 35 years of FPS games on PC and this is the game I do the worst on. Other games I do pretty darn well and have decent K/D rates. It definitely makes fools out of mouse players.

[Naughty Maggot]

Originally posted by Chronic Complainer Reviews:

Originally posted by Naughty Maggot:

As for game alterations, they're all bannable and plenty of controller users are using cheat hardware without any backlash and have been doing so for over a decade. At least PC anti-cheat is well developed and does consistently instantly ban users.

Apparently cronus users are being "tracked" and might even receive a warning if found to be legitimate. That's it, no information on if it's actually working or if anyone has actually been banned using them.

There are multiple other devices that are used and nothing has been mentioned regarding them. PC hackers get an instant ban. No questions asked (and so they should). But for controller cheaters (if they can even detect them) to only receive warnings is laughable.

- Modifications to the games graphics and lighting, including LuT's is not bannable and has been officially approved. They are used in competitive environments all the time.

- Cronus / Xim / ect are not ban-able because they do not modify the game in any way. As such you should realize they are gimmick products that do not actually improve gameplay. All these controllers are is peripherals with built in customizable macros they can be activated during x event. So yeah you can have a macro that tilts down on your right stick when you aim and shoot a gun to better control the recoil automatically but you still need to aim, so is it really any more beneficial than just aiming and controlling recoil on your own? You can have a macro so you can just press a button to automatically slide cancel, or automatically prone for drop shots, ect, but those are not really beneficial, especially not for literally every gun fight across a match. These controllers are trash. They offer 0 benefits, and anyone who buys them is a sucker who just got scammed.

- Console hacks do exist. They require you to have oldest version of a console, that has never been updated, and you have to spend time modifying the console to allow you to run custom software, and then modify the system to allow you to play online games on an outdated console, which is not possible on any console that has ever been updated. The reason console doesn't have ricochet is because the amount of consoles out there that can be used to actually cheat are rare. Sony has its own built it anti cheat in the form of data obfuscation and encryption which you will never bypass without the mentioned above method. Any console "hacks" that you can find online that require a 3rd party device are not hacks. Their just macros. Just like on PC no game in the world can detect macros recorded to a keyboard directly, no console or pc is going to detect macros sent from a controller, ie a peripheral. There's a reason you can't make a macro for the FN key on a keyboard, keyboards with buttons like this, or buttons for macros are custom built to send the inputs from a keyboard, and there is nothing you can do to simulate that from the pc itself, and likewise a PC can not distinguish those inputs from inputs made automatically, or from a user.

This guy straight up downplaying and defending conrolley cheats. Lmao. "It's not bad because PC users can also use soft cheats" haha.

All cheaters are scum. Controller hardware does a lot more than you like to pretend. Anything that changes your natural mechanical ability is a cheat.

Controller users can use MKB through their hardware.

KBM + Aim Assist is literally and aim bot.

All cheaters need to be insta banned and controller Aim Tracking needs to be disabled. Sure it's a 'soft' cheat but still a cheat. Implemented by devs or not it has no place in the game.

All of these problems stem from the controller input device. Input base matchmaking would be such a win just to get away from all the uncertainty of not knowing if they're cheating or just the ridiculous AA tracking you perfectly.

[Lecruidant]

Originally posted by nOObyRider:

Do any of you PC players feel that on this game we have no chance against "aim assist" of those amazing console skill players?
Asking for a friend,,,,

Jesus christ here we are again with more "Wahhh AA" postings. Yet when ya'll clap cheeks against controller players it's "PC MASTER RACE, GIT GUD". It's you. Simple as that. I'm watching people I play with regularly drop 30-40 bombs in games no issues.

Stop ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ complaining about something you have no idea about. You clearly think Aim Assist is god mode. Plug a controller in and see how many kills you get pumpkin.

[Naughty Maggot]

*plugs controller in and plays as well as 20 years of KBM training*

Hmm....

[TheeOnlyBIRD]

get good

[KiNG1]

yes, this is because i didn't buy the game, aa for controllers just locks on through smoke and flash bangs.

turn of crossplay allow pc vs pc everyone is happy. at least allow the option, why is it disabled ?

[neoVictrix]

Originally posted by TheeOnlyBIRD:

get good

It's what a lot of these threads boil down to. You've got the handful of legitimate complaints about cheaters within the game, but a disproportionate amount of complaints are coming from people who can't accept that they had a few bad rounds.

[76561199241541439]

That aint no aim assist, these kids use software and/or hardware to cheat.

Imagine 5 times the aim assist, thats aimbot not aim assist and almost everyone runs something to make that possible so yes of course a controller or mouse player aint gonna have a chance because its fighting vs AIMBOT, a machine aiming for the player aka loser tools.

Currently your only hope as a legit controller or mouse player is to not play any fps game in any competitive way because its full of cheaters everywhere, no turning off crossplay on playstation wont do anything because console players are mostly the ones cheating with devices that enables them to do so and jailbreak ps4 wich can run everything a pc can run.

Anyone you see saying there aint no cheaters or very little are cheating themselves, go spectate some matches and enjoy seeing all these bad players with the worst crosshair placement and general fighting that shows they are noobs yet when an enemy is anywhere in front of them they wont miss a single bullet, jumping out a door and lock on the enemy perfect in 0.1 second and perfectly track the enemy while jumping and running WITH A CONTROLLER, seems like everyone is Z laner now aimbotting everyone +300m away.


Current FPS genre is disgusting most players are cheating but it is what it is.

Whats funny about all the situation is remembering on warzone 1 ppl tough the cheating was bad but in this game at this point, everyone and their mother is cheating.



But dont worry some day hopefully everything even chronus will be detected and then it will be the downfall of all these so called pros, stay legit stay strong brother.