ICUE triggers vac ban?

[aj.]

hello all, i recently had issues with the icue for my scuf controller, yes i used macros, used it for a and b, (jump and slide). and g keys for lighting and push to talk thats about it. triggered 2 perma bans from 2 seperate accounts. been using another account without program but using the same macros and so far im 75 hours deep and no ban? i wonder why is that?

[Drunk Bear]

Well I've never trickshotted a day in my life so I don't know the finer points of it, but the macro doesn't even make it guaranteed, so yeah, I'd call that harmless. In fact my other friend hits it more consistently without the macro.

We're literally talking about not having to press one extra button to very infrequently achieve something that appears entirely luck based if it even works. If that sounds like an issue then I'll probably just bow out of the discussion, because it seems you have a mind that works in blacks and whites and there's no nuance to what constitutes anything being of actual concern to the majority of people. I bet hypothetically if I collected data on it and said only 1 in 1000 of his sniper shots ended up silent, you'd still be saying "Exploit! Ban him!", whereas I'd say that's ridiculous to have something so trivial cause somebody to be banned from a game they purchased.

I don't even mean any of that as an insult either, I just think we have nothing more to discuss if you're that rigid on the topic of macros.

[MADGulliver]

How about the corsair RGB fan!

[󠀡󠀡]

Originally posted by a:

hello all, i recently had issues with the icue for my scuf controller, yes i used macros, used it for a and b, (jump and slide). and g keys for lighting and push to talk thats about it. triggered 2 perma bans from 2 seperate accounts. been using another account without program but using the same macros and so far im 75 hours deep and no ban? i wonder why is that?

you are so special ed bro u need macros to play and wonder why ur banned lmfao

[Rico]

Originally posted by 󠀡󠀡umgk:

Originally posted by a:

hello all, i recently had issues with the icue for my scuf controller, yes i used macros, used it for a and b, (jump and slide). and g keys for lighting and push to talk thats about it. triggered 2 perma bans from 2 seperate accounts. been using another account without program but using the same macros and so far im 75 hours deep and no ban? i wonder why is that?

you are so special ed bro u need macros to play and wonder why ur banned lmfao

xdddddddd

[Cp. Link]

"Recently, playing the Call of Duty Modern Warfare II release, I was hit with a permanent ban for "modification of game files" and "unauthorized software." Several RGB controller applications, including several preloaded PC programs, are being flagged as “unauthorized software” by the MW2 RICOCHET anti-cheat. These applications include Razer Synapse 3, Corsair iCue, MSI Afterburner, and Logitech G-Hub."

"As a developer, my personal theory is that the frequent crashes (and accompanying errors about corrupted files) are being incorrectly flagged by the RICOCHET anti-cheat software as intentional manipulations made by players. I can imagine the logic that would need to be implemented to avoid false positives like this, and given the number of game crashes, I suspect they have issues with RICOCHET that they’re unwilling to review. I have offered to allow Activision developers to connect remotely to my PC to debug this issue, but as of this post, I have received no response. For completeness, users have also suspected that RICOCHET may be incorrectly detecting RGB control software, GPU software like MSI Afterburner or NVIDIA GeForce Experience, or programs like Discord. Again, with no communication from Activision, we’re left completely in the dark." - Written in a Blog Post by Mike Swanson, a technologist, the owner of Juicy Bits, and a former Microsoft employee of 12 years.

[Bosshog]

Originally posted by Cp. Link:

"Recently, playing the Call of Duty Modern Warfare II release, I was hit with a permanent ban for "modification of game files" and "unauthorized software." Several RGB controller applications, including several preloaded PC programs, are being flagged as “unauthorized software” by the MW2 RICOCHET anti-cheat. These applications include Razer Synapse 3, Corsair iCue, MSI Afterburner, and Logitech G-Hub."

"As a developer, my personal theory is that the frequent crashes (and accompanying errors about corrupted files) are being incorrectly flagged by the RICOCHET anti-cheat software as intentional manipulations made by players. I can imagine the logic that would need to be implemented to avoid false positives like this, and given the number of game crashes, I suspect they have issues with RICOCHET that they’re unwilling to review. I have offered to allow Activision developers to connect remotely to my PC to debug this issue, but as of this post, I have received no response. For completeness, users have also suspected that RICOCHET may be incorrectly detecting RGB control software, GPU software like MSI Afterburner or NVIDIA GeForce Experience, or programs like Discord. Again, with no communication from Activision, we’re left completely in the dark." - Written in a Blog Post by Mike Swanson, a technologist, the owner of Juicy Bits, and a former Microsoft employee of 12 years.

Aaah yes. Caserma Rhino. Where everyone who got banned from MW2 said the game crashed and they were banned right after. Yeah everyone was blaming iCue, Discord, even spotify. Turned out the game wasn't crashing, it was kicking them TFO and banning them.

And Activision did communicate about it. They did a blogpost, because this BS was spreading like wildfire and everyone was using it as an excuse. It is the only time Activision or the devs have officially directly addressed the issue of "false bans". And yeah, they said it was a crock.

https://www.callofduty.com/blog/2022/10/call-of-duty-modern-warfare-II-warzone-ricochet-anti-cheat-open-beta-recap

"There were a small number of players who reported beta crashes that appeared to cause their accounts to be permanently banned. We have investigated this thoroughly and have determined that crashing issues did not cause unjust bans. The game itself cannot trigger a ban. Additionally, our security and data engineers have confirmed that there was not a bug possible which would have allowed this to happen during the beta."

Expect a similar blogpost about BO6 next week.

[Blueknight719]

Originally posted by Cp. Link:

"Recently, playing the Call of Duty Modern Warfare II release, I was hit with a permanent ban for "modification of game files" and "unauthorized software." Several RGB controller applications, including several preloaded PC programs, are being flagged as “unauthorized software” by the MW2 RICOCHET anti-cheat. These applications include Razer Synapse 3, Corsair iCue, MSI Afterburner, and Logitech G-Hub."

"As a developer, my personal theory is that the frequent crashes (and accompanying errors about corrupted files) are being incorrectly flagged by the RICOCHET anti-cheat software as intentional manipulations made by players. I can imagine the logic that would need to be implemented to avoid false positives like this, and given the number of game crashes, I suspect they have issues with RICOCHET that they’re unwilling to review. I have offered to allow Activision developers to connect remotely to my PC to debug this issue, but as of this post, I have received no response. For completeness, users have also suspected that RICOCHET may be incorrectly detecting RGB control software, GPU software like MSI Afterburner or NVIDIA GeForce Experience, or programs like Discord. Again, with no communication from Activision, we’re left completely in the dark." - Written in a Blog Post by Mike Swanson, a technologist, the owner of Juicy Bits, and a former Microsoft employee of 12 years.

As someone who has runs or has run everything mentioned but icue. I call BS, not so much as a shadow ban have I received.

[arobro]

Originally posted by Ipecac:

Originally posted by Drunk Bear:

I read that, but there's an argument to be made that it isn't an unfair advantage unless it's to actually exploit something like an unintended rate of fire on a gun. The ability to make macros is built into any software I've ever seen for gaming peripherals like mice, keyboards, headsets etc, and they're going to be authorized software. By that definition people aren't even allowed to adjust their headset EQ in those same programs because it might make them be able to hear better than somebody sitting there playing with their TV sound.

I don't use macros by the way, I just don't think they fit that definition unless exploiting something unintended by the devs. I have a friend that has always used a macro to go for silent shots while trickshotting, which he's never been banned for and nobody could argue is a gameplay advantage over other people.

Any macro is an unfair advantage, and any way of remapping keys outside of the game is bannable.

So far they have banned reWASD and AHK. I'm sure there are others that are getting flagged.

There is no legitimate reason for using input mapping software of any kind. All keys can be remapped and bound in game. The only reason to do so would be to gain an advantage.

I got one for ya...

Most gaming mice have an up and down button on them to adjust the sensitivity of the mouse or dpi fully implemented in hardware. Lower sensitivity gives more control, higher sensitivity gives faster movement. You could press the higher control button, when snipping, and the faster movement button when in close quarters.
Is this an unfair advantage/?

[arobro]

I think the problem is they can't reliably detect what are legit macros and what is not, so they are just banning all of them. This sucks if you were banned and not cheating.

I would advise to appeal. Some are getting their bans reversed after their 8th attempt.

[Reaper]

Originally posted by Ipecac:

"Any user who utilizes any code and/or software not authorized by Activision that can be used in connection with the game and/or any component or feature thereof which changes and/or facilitates the gameplay or other activity, including to gain an unfair advantage, manipulate stats, and/or manipulate game data, is subject to penalty. This includes, but is not limited to, aimbots, wallhacks, trainers, stats hacks, texture hacks, leaderboard hacks, injectors, input mapping software , or any other software used to deliberately modify game data on disk or in memory. Detection of unauthorized software may also result in the automatic closure of the application."

There's a problem with this. Couldn't you use steam input and still get banned?

[Alejandro]

Originally posted by Ipecac:

Originally posted by a:

hello all, i recently had issues with the icue for my scuf controller, yes i used macros, used it for a and b, (jump and slide). and g keys for lighting and push to talk thats about it. triggered 2 perma bans from 2 seperate accounts. been using another account without program but using the same macros and so far im 75 hours deep and no ban? i wonder why is that?

You don't mention what software you use with that controller.

DS4Windows by any chance?

no idea what ds4 is, now i dont use software for it

[Alejandro]

Originally posted by arobro:

I think the problem is they can't reliably detect what are legit macros and what is not, so they are just banning all of them. This sucks if you were banned and not cheating.

I would advise to appeal. Some are getting their bans reversed after their 8th attempt.

bo6 is almost out, ill just bite the bullet on this one and just wait til it comes out, people seem to think im abusing macros to silent my shots or even ds4, only use paddles for jump and slide but i guess they think thats cheating?

[Squeeb]

I have ICUE running at all times my computer is on. If I'm not playing MnK, I use a Envision Pro Scuff which also uses ICUE without issue. 1000 hrs played.

[Luxxid]

> "Im Cheating"
> "Why am I getting banned?"

Dude seriously?

[LadyRuddette]

Originally posted by Ipecac:

Originally posted by Drunk Bear:

Wasn't there something else about what reWASD could do besides macros that was the real reason behind that ban? They certainly can't ban all programs that can create macros, because as I said, the software to control every gaming peripheral that I'm aware of on the market has that feature. That is a legitimate reason for using mapping software right there, it's built into the software that controls people's keyboard, mice and headset. If they weren't allowed, and given how prevalent they seem to be (or at least people think they are), you'd think "macros" would be listed clearly with the wall hacks, texture hacks etc, and not just assumed to be part of their vague "includes, but not limited to" list of unknown offences.

There is nothing vague about "input mapping software". If you remap outside of the game you can get banned. Whether or not you get caught it beside the point.

Yes everyone has keyboard software, but not everyone uses it. I own both razer synapse and steelseries software. But I wouldn't dream of using them to create macros and use them within COD, because I would consider it cheating, and I would consider it an unfair advantage. Besides that it's just flat out lame AF. Same as using a controller to play on PC.

RICOCHET uses machine learning, I'm sure detecting macros is easy.

WAITTTTTTTTT HOLD UP. flat out lame to use controller on a PC for Warzone? Excuse me? It's not lame it's smart and literally why all the top Warzone players, hell CDL players all use controller on PC. What are you talking about?