ICUE triggers vac ban?

[perez^^]

hello all, i recently had issues with the icue for my scuf controller, yes i used macros, used it for a and b, (jump and slide). and g keys for lighting and push to talk thats about it. triggered 2 perma bans from 2 seperate accounts. been using another account without program but using the same macros and so far im 75 hours deep and no ban? i wonder why is that?

[BuildtheWall]

So you're admitting to cheating and wondering when you'll get banned? Hopefully soon!

[Kirilla]

HAHAHAHAHAHA. so you think macros arent illegal in the game?

[LetM3WorK]

Prime Example of a cheater thinking he is legit. Imagine playing on a controller that already aims for you and you still need macros to move around. Pathetic. lmao

[Drunk Bear]

Originally posted by Kirilla:

HAHAHAHAHAHA. so you think macros arent illegal in the game?

Nowhere do they state macros aren't allowed in their list of offences. If I had to guess I'd say it's more likely the specific software he's using not being allowed, or he's just lying.

[Bosshog]

Originally posted by Drunk Bear:

Originally posted by Kirilla:

HAHAHAHAHAHA. so you think macros arent illegal in the game?

Nowhere do they state macros aren't allowed in their list of offences. If I had to guess I'd say it's more likely the specific software he's using not being allowed, or he's just lying.

"Any user who utilizes any code and/or software not authorized by Activision that can be used in connection with the game and/or any component or feature thereof which changes and/or facilitates the gameplay or other activity, including to gain an unfair advantage, manipulate stats, and/or manipulate game data, is subject to penalty. This includes, but is not limited to, aimbots, wallhacks, trainers, stats hacks, texture hacks, leaderboard hacks, injectors, input mapping software , or any other software used to deliberately modify game data on disk or in memory. Detection of unauthorized software may also result in the automatic closure of the application."

https://support.activision.com/articles/call-of-duty-security-and-enforcement-policy

A macro is the very definition of using software to gain an unfair advantage.

[Bosshog]

Originally posted by a:

hello all, i recently had issues with the icue for my scuf controller, yes i used macros, used it for a and b, (jump and slide). and g keys for lighting and push to talk thats about it. triggered 2 perma bans from 2 seperate accounts. been using another account without program but using the same macros and so far im 75 hours deep and no ban? i wonder why is that?

You don't mention what software you use with that controller.

DS4Windows by any chance?

[Drunk Bear]

Originally posted by Ipecac:

Originally posted by Drunk Bear:

Nowhere do they state macros aren't allowed in their list of offences. If I had to guess I'd say it's more likely the specific software he's using not being allowed, or he's just lying.

"Any user who utilizes any code and/or software not authorized by Activision that can be used in connection with the game and/or any component or feature thereof which changes and/or facilitates the gameplay or other activity, including to gain an unfair advantage, manipulate stats, and/or manipulate game data, is subject to penalty. This includes, but is not limited to, aimbots, wallhacks, trainers, stats hacks, texture hacks, leaderboard hacks, injectors, input mapping software , or any other software used to deliberately modify game data on disk or in memory. Detection of unauthorized software may also result in the automatic closure of the application."

https://support.activision.com/articles/call-of-duty-security-and-enforcement-policy

A macro is the very definition of using software to gain an unfair advantage.

I read that, but there's an argument to be made that it isn't an unfair advantage unless it's to actually exploit something like an unintended rate of fire on a gun. The ability to make macros is built into any software I've ever seen for gaming peripherals like mice, keyboards, headsets etc, and they're going to be authorized software. By that definition people aren't even allowed to adjust their headset EQ in those same programs because it might make them be able to hear better than somebody sitting there playing with their TV sound.

I don't use macros by the way, I just don't think they fit that definition unless exploiting something unintended by the devs. I have a friend that has always used a macro to go for silent shots while trickshotting, which he's never been banned for and nobody could argue is a gameplay advantage over other people.

[Bosshog]

Originally posted by Drunk Bear:

Originally posted by Ipecac:

"Any user who utilizes any code and/or software not authorized by Activision that can be used in connection with the game and/or any component or feature thereof which changes and/or facilitates the gameplay or other activity, including to gain an unfair advantage, manipulate stats, and/or manipulate game data, is subject to penalty. This includes, but is not limited to, aimbots, wallhacks, trainers, stats hacks, texture hacks, leaderboard hacks, injectors, input mapping software , or any other software used to deliberately modify game data on disk or in memory. Detection of unauthorized software may also result in the automatic closure of the application."

https://support.activision.com/articles/call-of-duty-security-and-enforcement-policy

A macro is the very definition of using software to gain an unfair advantage.

I read that, but there's an argument to be made that it isn't an unfair advantage unless it's to actually exploit something like an unintended rate of fire on a gun. The ability to make macros is built into any software I've ever seen for gaming peripherals like mice, keyboards, headsets etc, and they're going to be authorized software. By that definition people aren't even allowed to adjust their headset EQ in those same programs because it might make them be able to hear better than somebody sitting there playing with their TV sound.

I don't use macros by the way, I just don't think they fit that definition unless exploiting something unintended by the devs. I have a friend that has always used a macro to go for silent shots while trickshotting, which he's never been banned for and nobody could argue is a gameplay advantage over other people.

Any macro is an unfair advantage, and any way of remapping keys outside of the game is bannable.

So far they have banned reWASD and AHK. I'm sure there are others that are getting flagged.

There is no legitimate reason for using input mapping software of any kind. All keys can be remapped and bound in game. The only reason to do so would be to gain an advantage.

[Drunk Bear]

Originally posted by Ipecac:

Originally posted by Drunk Bear:

I read that, but there's an argument to be made that it isn't an unfair advantage unless it's to actually exploit something like an unintended rate of fire on a gun. The ability to make macros is built into any software I've ever seen for gaming peripherals like mice, keyboards, headsets etc, and they're going to be authorized software. By that definition people aren't even allowed to adjust their headset EQ in those same programs because it might make them be able to hear better than somebody sitting there playing with their TV sound.

I don't use macros by the way, I just don't think they fit that definition unless exploiting something unintended by the devs. I have a friend that has always used a macro to go for silent shots while trickshotting, which he's never been banned for and nobody could argue is a gameplay advantage over other people.

Any macro is an unfair advantage, and any way of remapping keys outside of the game is bannable.

So far they have banned reWASD and AHK. I'm sure there are others that are getting flagged.

There is no legitimate reason for using input mapping software of any kind. All keys can be remapped and bound in game. The only reason to do so would be to gain an advantage.

Wasn't there something else about what reWASD could do besides macros that was the real reason behind that ban? They certainly can't ban all programs that can create macros, because as I said, the software to control every gaming peripheral that I'm aware of on the market has that feature. That is a legitimate reason for using mapping software right there, it's built into the software that controls people's keyboard, mice and headset. If they weren't allowed, and given how prevalent they seem to be (or at least people think they are), you'd think "macros" would be listed clearly with the wall hacks, texture hacks etc, and not just assumed to be part of their vague "includes, but not limited to" list of unknown offences.

EDIT: I just googled the reWASD ban, it was because you could activate aim assist on mouse and keyboard.

[Bosshog]

Originally posted by Drunk Bear:

Originally posted by Ipecac:

Any macro is an unfair advantage, and any way of remapping keys outside of the game is bannable.

So far they have banned reWASD and AHK. I'm sure there are others that are getting flagged.

There is no legitimate reason for using input mapping software of any kind. All keys can be remapped and bound in game. The only reason to do so would be to gain an advantage.

Wasn't there something else about what reWASD could do besides macros that was the real reason behind that ban? They certainly can't ban all programs that can create macros, because as I said, the software to control every gaming peripheral that I'm aware of on the market has that feature. That is a legitimate reason for using mapping software right there, it's built into the software that controls people's keyboard, mice and headset. If they weren't allowed, and given how prevalent they seem to be (or at least people think they are), you'd think "macros" would be listed clearly with the wall hacks, texture hacks etc, and not just assumed to be part of their vague "includes, but not limited to" list of unknown offences.

There is nothing vague about "input mapping software". If you remap outside of the game you can get banned. Whether or not you get caught it beside the point.

Yes everyone has keyboard software, but not everyone uses it. I own both razer synapse and steelseries software. But I wouldn't dream of using them to create macros and use them within COD, because I would consider it cheating, and I would consider it an unfair advantage. Besides that it's just flat out lame AF. Same as using a controller to play on PC.

RICOCHET uses machine learning, I'm sure detecting macros is easy.

[^4O ^9/^3 S]

Bro these people make so many excuses, I've been using ICUE and Razer Synapse and etc for years. None of it has ever triggered a ban. It's the macros and Activision is very strict about that

[Bosshog]

Originally posted by ^4O ^9/^3 S:

Bro these people make so many excuses, I've been using ICUE and Razer Synapse and etc for years. None of it has ever triggered a ban. It's the macros and Activision is very strict about that

This.

Everyone has Synapse. But not everyone is lame/dumb enough to make macros with it and jump into COD.

[⌠IP⌡ALEX/(ITA)/]

Why can't people just learn to play the game without any sort of weird stuff such as macros etc? Anyone who recieves the slightest help even if "not illegal" deserves to be banned

[Drunk Bear]

Originally posted by Ipecac:

Originally posted by Drunk Bear:

Wasn't there something else about what reWASD could do besides macros that was the real reason behind that ban? They certainly can't ban all programs that can create macros, because as I said, the software to control every gaming peripheral that I'm aware of on the market has that feature. That is a legitimate reason for using mapping software right there, it's built into the software that controls people's keyboard, mice and headset. If they weren't allowed, and given how prevalent they seem to be (or at least people think they are), you'd think "macros" would be listed clearly with the wall hacks, texture hacks etc, and not just assumed to be part of their vague "includes, but not limited to" list of unknown offences.

There is nothing vague about "input mapping software". If you remap outside of the game you can get banned. Whether or not you get caught it beside the point.

Yes everyone has keyboard software, but not everyone uses it. I own both razer synapse and steelseries software. But I wouldn't dream of using them to create macros and use them within COD, because I would consider it cheating, and I would consider it an unfair advantage. Besides that it's just flat out lame AF. Same as using a controller to play on PC.

RICOCHET uses machine learning, I'm sure detecting macros is easy.

I guess it just boils down to I disagree with their current stance then. Macros can be abused, but they can also just be completely innocent and used for convenience as opposed to advantage. Hopefully RICOCHET can just learn to detect the difference between a macro that is meant to abuse and gain advantage, and one that means nothing in the grand scheme. My friend is the only example I personally know of with the attempts at silent shots during a trick shot. It is literally just a macro that causes him to pull his throwing knife out and not even throw it when he takes the shot, which is clearly not providing any form of advantage. It's a perfect example of a harmless macro just meant to potentially add some flare to a trick shot final kill in SnD, but could apparently get him banned, although that hasn't happened and he was doing it for about 6 months before he stopped playing MW3.

[Bosshog]

Originally posted by Drunk Bear:

Originally posted by Ipecac:

There is nothing vague about "input mapping software". If you remap outside of the game you can get banned. Whether or not you get caught it beside the point.

Yes everyone has keyboard software, but not everyone uses it. I own both razer synapse and steelseries software. But I wouldn't dream of using them to create macros and use them within COD, because I would consider it cheating, and I would consider it an unfair advantage. Besides that it's just flat out lame AF. Same as using a controller to play on PC.

RICOCHET uses machine learning, I'm sure detecting macros is easy.

I guess it just boils down to I disagree with their current stance then. Macros can be abused, but they can also just be completely innocent and used for convenience as opposed to advantage. Hopefully RICOCHET can just learn to detect the difference between a macro that is meant to abuse and gain advantage, and one that means nothing in the grand scheme. My friend is the only example I personally know of with the attempts at silent shots during a trick shot. It is literally just a macro that causes him to pull his throwing knife out and not even throw it when he takes the shot, which is clearly not providing any form of advantage. It's a perfect example of a harmless macro just meant to potentially add some flare to a trick shot final kill in SnD, but could apparently get him banned, although that hasn't happened and he was doing it for about 6 months before he stopped playing MW3.

Harmless macro lol. Sure. Making it so other players can't hear your shots.

Silent shotting has always been lame AF. But it takes timing and can be done with in game keybinds. I'd never do it, cos it feels cheap.

Having to use a macro to do it is just sad and yeah should be bannable.

"Convenience"? If you can't pull it off in game, using a macro is not "convenience". It's an exploit.

If someone cant aim is using an aimbot "convenience"?

Glad to report people were getting flagged in the BO6 beta for doing this too....