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Silverbox Dec 3, 2023 @ 1:29pm
Why people complain about SBMM, what am I missing?
Let met understand this. As far as I understand, SBMM is a way to match players of the same level for a more challenging experience.

But also, so that people who play very well or very often does not beat casuals or your random kid.

Why would people not prefer to have ranks? so that players with the same level of experience are matched together? Does people just want cheesy victories and snipping people who aren't good in FPS?
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MinTea Dec 3, 2023 @ 1:51pm 
yet another clown farm.

in reality the whole perfect lobbies just don't play well, it has zero to do with destroying noobs and more to do with having fun in a video game.

with the SBMM system in cod atm its obvious that something very insidious is going on, with more and more people seeing bots in lobby's(myself included) having random packet loss for absolutely no reason again ive had this meany times since launch. guns not doing the right damage, ect. and all ways after a decent match is played. its very obvious that the MM system is doing alot ,ore than just matching players together that play around the same skill level.

now no one would say that low skill players don't need helping, i mean the bottom KD in the game are normally young kids and disabled people but the system isn't really doing that as meany people who want more easy lobbies are just reverse boosting in to those exact KD lobbies meaning the protected skill level isnt protected anymore meaning they wont make more money because why world those players stay?

simple point is the system is ruining the very people they say they want to protect because the people that want easy lobbies will just reverse boost, and they cant ban those that do as it could just be the system making players lose matches.

simple fix lower the SBMM and make the game more fun to play and people wont reverse boost lol
People LOVE to ♥♥♥♥♥ and moan. It's a zoomer thing.
xXUltimateRageNLXx Dec 3, 2023 @ 2:00pm 
f it contains sbmm. can play positively in a lobby. everyone just gets thrown at the hardest swets can't play a positive and why do you think I refunded him. this game is not worth having these discussions back and forth. cod is dead and I'm done with it after years of crap. on mw2 2022. i was able to get more than a kd of 2.78 and on mw3 you can't even get above 0.80 and sbmm my ass this game is worse than bad, and it is EOMM so no thanks from sledhammer games i will never play a cod again . Every time they are the ones who don't update anything and leave the problems for the entire duration of the game. and nothing is done about it on the trellow board, except for the PS5 players. and the rest is ignored and not checked so no thanks SBMM has become AI EOMM. so that's why they're going to be honest from now on about that stupid topic that clearly hasn't been around for long. If Microft doesn't fix anything, I'll be out of this COD community for years to come
Silverbox Dec 3, 2023 @ 2:41pm 
Originally posted by MinTea:
yet another clown farm.
No, it is a genuine question, don't be a fool.

Like, I get it, it is nice to hit people super easy and win but it will get boring and for that you may as well play against bots or dmz. The whole idea about FPS games online is to play competitive, you can play casual, but you should not just be stomping all games.

This does not mean that the system has to cheat you and make you fail shots if you win too much, but that is not SBMM.

SBMM is a ranking system to play against people closer to your skill. No one is saying lobbies have to be perfect all the time, that is impossible, time zones, different internet connectivity and people playing depending on the time of the day, etc.

SBMM will not give you always a balanced lobby, but the lack if it will never do that.

As I gamer, and I am not super competitive, I would expect everyone to actually want SBMM that is why I am surprised that the opposite seems to be true.
Last edited by Silverbox; Dec 3, 2023 @ 2:42pm
MinTea Dec 3, 2023 @ 3:46pm 
Originally posted by Silverbox:
Originally posted by MinTea:
yet another clown farm.
No, it is a genuine question, don't be a fool.

Like, I get it, it is nice to hit people super easy and win but it will get boring and for that you may as well play against bots or dmz. The whole idea about FPS games online is to play competitive, you can play casual, but you should not just be stomping all games.

This does not mean that the system has to cheat you and make you fail shots if you win too much, but that is not SBMM.

SBMM is a ranking system to play against people closer to your skill. No one is saying lobbies have to be perfect all the time, that is impossible, time zones, different internet connectivity and people playing depending on the time of the day, etc.

SBMM will not give you always a balanced lobby, but the lack if it will never do that.

As I gamer, and I am not super competitive, I would expect everyone to actually want SBMM that is why I am surprised that the opposite seems to be true.

well if you read my original comment you would understand what is wrong with the MM system, the very fact that you obviously only read the first line and decided to post back nothing about what i posted tells me the only fool is you and the very people who post the same stuff without even playing the game or even understanding the basic problems/issues.

SBMM ONLY works if you have a ranked playlist, the SBMM being so intrusive in a casual playlist makes very little since and only becomes a negative in the whole game play of mw3. if you only play very casual then you are likely not going to see a difference in matches, however if like most you play for multiple hours you WILL see a massive change in games and not in the good way.

as i pointed out in my original post, no one wants to only smash noobs, that is a narrative people like yourself seem to want to throw around, most people want varied matches with various skill levels across the board, that means matches would have a few low skill players, a few medium skill players and a few high skill players. like it always was in older games the ones that were actually fun to play.

over the years ive played since mw2, my kd and skill have gotten better, and that ONLY happens if you play better players than yourself, however ONLY playing better players will have a massive detriment to how you play and IF you play, most people will lose interest if they ONLY get stomped, making them feel like they will never get better, however this is also the same the opposite way round, i mean if you ONLY play against bad players then that is just boring and you will lose interest.

so the best option is a varied skill level in every match allowing all players to enjoy the game meaning more players stay engaged and more players spend more money.

sorry for the wall of text but its kinda hard to explain without it.
Silverbox Dec 3, 2023 @ 4:28pm 
Originally posted by MinTea:
SBMM ONLY works if you have a ranked playlist, the SBMM being so intrusive in a casual playlist

Sorry mate, but that does NOT make any sense.

There is not such thing as a "casual" playlist. This is an online game, and FPS, by its nature many different type of people play it.

No one can guess nor should guess that you feel like playing "casual" today. If that is the case, go create a private match or play DMZ or against bots.

And so, by default, what an online game should do is rank people based on skill similar to yours so that it feels fair, and less frustrating for new players. Again, no artificial cheats against the player, just ranking by time played or k/d ratios past 6 months should work.

In fact, you might play with people that play casual in your team, or not very good players, but it is not an enjoyable game when a player is stomped while you have cheesy victories with no effort against players not playing to win.

This is a FPS game competitive by nature in multiplayer mode.
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OzzyInSpace* Dec 3, 2023 @ 4:58pm 
AAAAACTUALLY - SBMM is great. Keeps the "pros" interested, and playing against people who are worth playing against; Imagine a world where they just steam roll every lobby... they'd get bored pretty fast and drop it. Fighting against players who are (even remotely) at your level keeps the match challenging and engaging. It's more of a soft ranked system than anything. The whole "yea but aim assist on controller" thing is taken out of the equation entirely, since those same controller players are playing at the SAME level as their matched M/KB players... so if you ask me, it's really not as bad as people make it out to be. I've never understood it. I think this game is just one that people love to hate on. I love this game... there just isn't anything out there like it; You can just get in and go... take it seriously and sweat it out, or just have some fun and laughs with friends; Whatever. I'll support this platform for that very reason.
Kitt Dec 3, 2023 @ 5:00pm 
Originally posted by Silverbox:
Originally posted by MinTea:
SBMM ONLY works if you have a ranked playlist, the SBMM being so intrusive in a casual playlist

Sorry mate, but that does NOT make any sense.

There is not such thing as a "casual" playlist. This is an online game, and FPS, by its nature many different type of people play it.

No one can guess nor should guess that you feel like playing "casual" today. If that is the case, go create a private match or play DMZ or against bots.

And so, by default, what an online game should do is rank people based on skill similar to yours so that it feels fair, and less frustrating for new players. Again, no artificial cheats against the player, just ranking by time played or k/d ratios past 6 months should work.

In fact, you might play with people that play casual in your team, or not very good players, but it is not an enjoyable game when a player is stomped while you have cheesy victories with no effort against players not playing to win.

This is a FPS game competitive by nature in multiplayer mode.
If u don't understand the difference between a quick play game and ranked idk what to tell you.
JmZ-x- Dec 3, 2023 @ 5:43pm 
SBMM triggers people because they can't stand having to play against people like them.
It is exclusively because they want to stomp noobs and bad players to feel good about themselves but when playing equal, or better players - they feel bad.
They want YOU to feel frustrated and have a miserable time playing against them but instead, THEY have a frustrating and miserable time playing other sweats.
SBMM is quite solid in this game - most of my lobbies are challenging but fun - I am pretty average at this game.

If all my lobbies had sweats, I would probably quit. I don't want to play against these nerds.
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Silverbox Dec 4, 2023 @ 2:50am 
Originally posted by JmZ-x-:
SBMM triggers people because they can't stand having to play against people like them.
It is exclusively because they want to stomp noobs and bad players to feel good about themselves but when playing equal, or better players - they feel bad.
They want YOU to feel frustrated and have a miserable time playing against them but instead, THEY have a frustrating and miserable time playing other sweats.
SBMM is quite solid in this game - most of my lobbies are challenging but fun - I am pretty average at this game.

If all my lobbies had sweats, I would probably quit. I don't want to play against these nerds.
I don't think there are that many sweats, personally, while I am not super good I am also not bad at all. Playing Free For All I do quite well most of the time but again it's not trivial to win matches for me and I play with mouse and keyboard.

And I always get hit sooner or later, I don't go there getting nukes.

In fact, most of the streamers that do that either are extremely good with a game pad which is suspicious (even with aim assist) or are likely cheating.

Pretty sure there are people playing COD many hours a day every day in all versions but still, there should be a handful of these on your matches if any. Maybe SBMM works better in one region than another but in any case my post is about SBMM as the idea not our particular experience in Call of Duty.
Silverbox Dec 4, 2023 @ 2:55am 
Originally posted by Kitt Kat:
If u don't understand the difference between a quick play game and ranked idk what to tell you.

Such a smart ass won't remember Quake online of course. Look, like I said this is a FPS game competitive by nature in multiplayer mode.

The ranked game is a different way of scoring on that particular mode, If I were to play ranked it would be no difference in the way I play normally, because it is not a real championship nor I get money for it.

In ranked mode you can play as casual or as sweat as in any other mode, if anything, you will not AFK in ranked mode but that is all about it.

People DO NOT play ranked like if their life were at stake. Maybe you are the problem and not SBMM in that case.
King ღ Dec 4, 2023 @ 2:56am 
If I wanna use a weapon I'm bad with or the is simply worse than other weapons (shotguns, some snipers, etc) then it is just unbearable.
Zordiark Darkeater Dec 4, 2023 @ 2:58am 
Sadly SBMM is not puting me againts people "like me" it puts me againts people waaaaay better then me just because i had a few good and allot of the times lucky matches.

after that my entire team is just getting spawn deleted out of existence me included.

So where is the balance and same skill player as me that people like to talk about every time they try to defend this broken ps matchmaking system ? i can count on 1 hand how many ACTUALY balanced matches i had...
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SunnyslowHUN Dec 4, 2023 @ 3:05am 
We have a problem with sbmm, because it dont put us against players on the same level. You can see that at the end of the match looking up the stats. The opponent team's players have a way much higher K/D, than yours, and also lost with blatantly high point difference. If this sbmm system would work by definition, then would be some kind of performance balance. Of course, one team would win, but not with that much.
Silverbox Dec 4, 2023 @ 10:19am 
Originally posted by King ღ:
If I wanna use a weapon I'm bad with or the is simply worse than other weapons (shotguns, some snipers, etc) then it is just unbearable.
Sure, but that has nothing to do with SBMM no? You could also play with one or with controller when you are not good with it, etc.
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