Shadow Bans

[Rovera]

What's with loads of people getting put into sb lobbies even though they aren't even cheating? Also what's with all the legit hackers not just getting banned?

[Shaken_Widow]

you don't have to cheat to get shadowbanned, you can get it from false reporting and other things as well as not following the rules after being warned in things like chat and such.

as for hackers not getting banned, note that the TOS explicitly prohibits "unlicensed software"

meaning activision could make their own cheats and license them, and sell them on the side.

they can also give them away to streamers to promote their products.

there isn't actually anything illegal about that and that's the problem.

[Rovera]

Originally posted by Shaken_Widow:

you don't have to cheat to get shadowbanned, you can get it from false reporting and other things as well as not following the rules after being warned in things like chat and such.

as for hackers not getting banned, note that the TOS explicitly prohibits "unlicensed software"

meaning activision could make their own cheats and license them, and sell them on the side.

they can also give them away to streamers to promote their products.

there isn't actually anything illegal about that and that's the problem.

Yeah I've noticed all the sb players are pc cheating or not. They need to blacklist people that abuse reporting and not allow them to do so.

[GhostRaccoon074]

we keep getting put with blatant cheaters too.

[Rovera]

Originally posted by GhostRaccoon074:

we keep getting put with blatant cheaters too.

Yeah, they get removed from the game by ricochet constantly and just don't get banned.

[᲼᲼᲼scatman]

Originally posted by Drifter:

Originally posted by Shaken_Widow:

you don't have to cheat to get shadowbanned, you can get it from false reporting and other things as well as not following the rules after being warned in things like chat and such.

as for hackers not getting banned, note that the TOS explicitly prohibits "unlicensed software"

meaning activision could make their own cheats and license them, and sell them on the side.

they can also give them away to streamers to promote their products.

there isn't actually anything illegal about that and that's the problem.

Yeah I've noticed all the sb players are pc cheating or not. They need to blacklist people that abuse reporting and not allow them to do so.

its 50/50 for me. ive noticed an equal amount of console cheaters too. XIM4/Mouse & Keyboard emulators on console also trigger shadowbans.

i got shadow banned for the first time last week after 1 report. didnt even play that well lmao.

[Shaken_Widow]

Originally posted by scatman:

Originally posted by Drifter:

Yeah I've noticed all the sb players are pc cheating or not. They need to blacklist people that abuse reporting and not allow them to do so.

its 50/50 for me. ive noticed an equal amount of console cheaters too. XIM4/Mouse & Keyboard emulators on console also trigger shadowbans.

i got shadow banned for the first time last week after 1 report. didnt even play that well lmao.

it's not just one report my guy.

it's not like someone reports you and BOOM you get shadowbanned contrary to the oh so many videos claiming that's how it works.

instead those reports sit in limbo for a minimum of 24 hours until a decision is made.

the only time you get instantly kicked and removed from servers is if the anticheat catches you and actually bans you.

[᲼᲼᲼scatman]

Originally posted by Shaken_Widow:

Originally posted by scatman:

its 50/50 for me. ive noticed an equal amount of console cheaters too. XIM4/Mouse & Keyboard emulators on console also trigger shadowbans.

i got shadow banned for the first time last week after 1 report. didnt even play that well lmao.

it's not just one report my guy.

it's not like someone reports you and BOOM you get shadowbanned contrary to the oh so many videos claiming that's how it works.

instead those reports sit in limbo for a minimum of 24 hours until a decision is made.

the only time you get instantly kicked and removed from servers is if the anticheat catches you and actually bans you.

I hadn't played in months prior to that game. There was only one guy on the other team crying about me.

After the match ended, I got kicked instantly during the final killcam, and I was shadowbanned.

I only got cleared 2 days ago after Activision, obviously, determined I wasn't cheating.

Nobody knows how the Anticheat works.

[Shaken_Widow]

Originally posted by scatman:

Originally posted by Shaken_Widow:

it's not just one report my guy.

it's not like someone reports you and BOOM you get shadowbanned contrary to the oh so many videos claiming that's how it works.

instead those reports sit in limbo for a minimum of 24 hours until a decision is made.

the only time you get instantly kicked and removed from servers is if the anticheat catches you and actually bans you.

I hadn't played in months prior to that game. There was only one guy on the other team crying about me.

After the match ended, I got kicked instantly during the final killcam, and I was shadowbanned.

I only got cleared 2 days ago after Activision, obviously, determined I wasn't cheating.

well as it's already been said shadowbans aren't for cheaters.

idk why people think "i've been shadowed that means someone thinks i was cheating"

to get shadowbanned you just have to break the rules and be reported for it.

and that still doesn't mean that that persons report is what got you shadowbanned, more than likely the 24 hour limbo time is set for in game time because it has to actually monitor your playstyle for those 24 hours to make a decision, so all that happened most likely was you played one match and the previous reports from months back finally got turned in.

and btw, i don't care how loud people scream it playing good will not earn you a shadowban, you have to break the rules.

[᲼᲼᲼scatman]

Originally posted by Shaken_Widow:

Originally posted by scatman:

I hadn't played in months prior to that game. There was only one guy on the other team crying about me.

After the match ended, I got kicked instantly during the final killcam, and I was shadowbanned.

I only got cleared 2 days ago after Activision, obviously, determined I wasn't cheating.

well as it's already been said shadowbans aren't for cheaters.

idk why people think "i've been shadowed that means someone thinks i was cheating"

to get shadowbanned you just have to break the rules and be reported for it.

and that still doesn't mean that that persons report is what got you shadowbanned, more than likely the 24 hour limbo time is set for in game time because it has to actually monitor your playstyle for those 24 hours to make a decision, so all that happened most likely was you played one match and the previous reports from months back finally got turned in.

and btw, i don't care how loud people scream it playing good will not earn you a shadowban, you have to break the rules.

Shadowban is literally designed for cheaters. I had cheaters in my lobby rage cheating with no care in the world.

It's designed to put players in limbo to stop them harming the 'innocent' playerbase while Activision manually review the accounts which are flagged, but you can still play while they analyse.

Playing good WILL trigger a Shadowban, because it's obviously flawed. If it didn't, there wouldn't be herds of good players being shadowbanned lmao. I never speak in chat. I never type messages. I just use SAB 24/7, and that clearly upsets people.

You don't have to break the rules. You have no idea how it works. Nobody does. Obviously reporting does flags accounts, but we have no idea what parameters need to be met in order to place an account into limbo.

[Shaken_Widow]

Originally posted by scatman:

Originally posted by Shaken_Widow:

well as it's already been said shadowbans aren't for cheaters.

idk why people think "i've been shadowed that means someone thinks i was cheating"

to get shadowbanned you just have to break the rules and be reported for it.

and that still doesn't mean that that persons report is what got you shadowbanned, more than likely the 24 hour limbo time is set for in game time because it has to actually monitor your playstyle for those 24 hours to make a decision, so all that happened most likely was you played one match and the previous reports from months back finally got turned in.

and btw, i don't care how loud people scream it playing good will not earn you a shadowban, you have to break the rules.

Shadowban is literally designed for cheaters. I had cheaters in my lobby rage cheating with no care in the world.

It's designed to put players in limbo to stop them harming the 'innocent' playerbase while Activision manually review the accounts which are flagged, but you can still play while they analyse.

Playing good WILL trigger a Shadowban, because it's obviously flawed. If it didn't, there wouldn't be herds of good players being shadowbanned lmao. I never speak in chat. I never type messages. I just use SAB 24/7, and that clearly upsets people.

You don't have to break the rules. You have no idea how it works. Nobody does. Obviously reporting does flags accounts, but we have no idea what parameters need to be met in order to place an account into limbo.

no, it's not lmao.

it literally states in the TOS that shadowbans are awarded to players who simply break the rules.

if you cheat and get caught you get BANNED, not shadowbanned.

not only that but the mitigations apply to cheaters.

cloaking, nulltip bullets, ect. those don't get used on shadowbanned players, ONLY cheaters.

this is why people get shadowed for false reports, because as of s06 false reports are considered against the rules.

im starting to think the real reason you were shadowed is because you false report people considering you don't think that will get you a shadowban.

[᲼᲼᲼scatman]

Originally posted by Shaken_Widow:

Originally posted by scatman:

Shadowban is literally designed for cheaters. I had cheaters in my lobby rage cheating with no care in the world.

It's designed to put players in limbo to stop them harming the 'innocent' playerbase while Activision manually review the accounts which are flagged, but you can still play while they analyse.

Playing good WILL trigger a Shadowban, because it's obviously flawed. If it didn't, there wouldn't be herds of good players being shadowbanned lmao. I never speak in chat. I never type messages. I just use SAB 24/7, and that clearly upsets people.

You don't have to break the rules. You have no idea how it works. Nobody does. Obviously reporting does flags accounts, but we have no idea what parameters need to be met in order to place an account into limbo.

no, it's not lmao.

it literally states in the TOS that shadowbans are awarded to players who simply break the rules.

if you cheat and get caught you get BANNED, not shadowbanned.

You do realise you can cheat, not get caught, and get shadowbanned right?
Accuracy, bullets fired, time to kill, etc, are all tracked. People who are cheating obviously have inflated stats, but the anticheat doesn't know if the player is cheating.
So they get put into review. AKA: Shadowbans. Every game with a shadowban system does exactly the same thing.
CSGO is a perfect example.

There are plenty of cheats which are undetected by the actual anticheat, but there are some features which trigger shadowbans. Shadowbans, and the anticheat itself are 2 completely different things.

'Breaking the rules' also includes cheating.

You really do have 0 clue what you're talking about.

You can cheat on CoD completely fine, never getting banned, if your cheat isn't detected.

I don't report anyone either because I don't care lmao.

[Shaken_Widow]

Originally posted by scatman:

Originally posted by Shaken_Widow:

no, it's not lmao.

it literally states in the TOS that shadowbans are awarded to players who simply break the rules.

if you cheat and get caught you get BANNED, not shadowbanned.

You do realise you can cheat, not get caught, and get shadowbanned right?
Accuracy, bullets fired, time to kill, etc, are all tracked. People who are cheating obviously have inflated stats, but the anticheat doesn't know if the player is cheating.
So they get put into review. AKA: Shadowbans.

There are plenty of cheats which are undetected by the actual anticheat, but there are some features which trigger shadowbans. Shadowbans, and the anticheat itself are 2 completely different things.

'Breaking the rules' also includes cheating.

You really do have 0 clue what you're talking about.

You can cheat on CoD completely fine, never getting banned, if your cheat isn't detected.

if they didn't get caught then they weren't shadowbanned for cheating then were they?

they were shadowbanned for suspected rule breaking.

you literally just proved my point.

as for cheating is against the rules, no duh.

but it doesn't carry the same penalty.

much like home burglary doesn't carry the same penalty as murder.

as for me not knowing what im talking about, i have literally quoted their TOS twice at you and you denied it lmao

and ps, the reason people don't get banned when they're cheating is because their cheats aren't "unlicensed"

activision sells cheats dude.

[᲼᲼᲼scatman]

Originally posted by Shaken_Widow:

Originally posted by scatman:

You do realise you can cheat, not get caught, and get shadowbanned right?
Accuracy, bullets fired, time to kill, etc, are all tracked. People who are cheating obviously have inflated stats, but the anticheat doesn't know if the player is cheating.
So they get put into review. AKA: Shadowbans.

There are plenty of cheats which are undetected by the actual anticheat, but there are some features which trigger shadowbans. Shadowbans, and the anticheat itself are 2 completely different things.

'Breaking the rules' also includes cheating.

You really do have 0 clue what you're talking about.

You can cheat on CoD completely fine, never getting banned, if your cheat isn't detected.

if they didn't get caught then they weren't shadowbanned for cheating then were they?

they were shadowbanned for suspected rule breaking.

you literally just proved my point.

Are you trolling? Or just not very tech savvy?

Shadowbans are for placing *suspected cheaters* into a pool of other players for analysis. It's for manually reviewing, by a human, to determine if someone is cheating.

If you're automatically banned for cheating, instantly, it means whatever cheat you were using is detected. They don't need to review.

Yeah, you're an idiot. Muting you now :). Try going back to school. I'm surprised you know how to turn on your PC. Bye bye :)

[Shaken_Widow]

Originally posted by scatman:

Originally posted by Shaken_Widow:

if they didn't get caught then they weren't shadowbanned for cheating then were they?

they were shadowbanned for suspected rule breaking.

you literally just proved my point.

Are you trolling? Or just not very tech savvy?

Shadowbans are for placing *suspected cheaters* into a pool of other players for analysis. It's for manually reviewing, by a human, to determine if someone is cheating.

If you're automatically banned for cheating, instantly, it means whatever cheat you were using is detected. They don't need to review.

my guy i've literally posted the rules that get you shadowbanned word for word and you're disagreeing with them.

the report system has NOTHING to do with ricochet anticheat.

hence why ricochet isn't on CONSOLE.

also why console players get shadows as well.

"Learn how we combat cheaters with RICOCHET Anti-Cheat™"

[Shaken_Widow]

for those who think shadowbans are for cheaters:

"Before accessing and playing a Call of Duty title you have agreed to and accepted the Software License and Service Agreement for the title (available at support.activision.com/license), the Activision Terms of Use, and the Activision Privacy Policy. This Security and Enforcement Policy sets out more in detail sanctionable actions by you and the types of applicable sanctions, from temporary suspension up to termination of your license. This Policy applies to Call of Duty titles starting with Call of Duty: Modern Warfare (2019) and Call of Duty console and PC titles released thereafter as well as Call of Duty: Warzone Mobile.

If you believe you have been penalized or suspended in error, please submit a support ticket to appeal an account penalty here.
Definitions

Account under review: If a player is suspected of violating this policy, their account may be put under review to determine if any infractions occurred.

Accounts under review may be matched with other accounts similarly under review.
When the review is concluded the account will either be returned to normal matchmaking, or it may receive a temporary or permanent suspension.

A minor offense is one in which no quantifiable damage has been done to another player or the game community at large.

Temporary suspensions can range from 48 hours to two weeks or longer, depending on the severity of the infraction.

Permanent suspensions are lasting and final, and can apply across titles, including past, present, or future titles in the Call of Duty franchise. In some cases, players with a permanent suspension on their account may also be unable to purchase Call of Duty games.

An extreme offense is one in which a player has caused detriment to other players or has organized large groups of players to commit additional offenses."

all it takes is for you to break one of their many rules in the TOS and you can receive a shadowban.

to put it simply, THEIR OWN TOS EXPLAINS SHADOWBANS ARE FOR RULE BREAKERS, THE ANTICHEAT IS FOR THE CHEATERS.

PERIOD.