now that activasion struck down SM2 and XLABS how do you fell about this?

[Nanashi_Derg]

honestly my view on this should be that we just stop supporting this greedy publisher. there was no reason for them to take down either of those mods. the only reason i could see was that it took SOME players away from the current ♥♥♥♥♥♥ game

[Nanashi_Derg]

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i do play it here or there. i brought these up because what activition did made them look like a cry baby because they are worried that a game will take away like 1000 people from their current game. it was a move that didnt need to be made. you sound like the kind of person to throw your whole wallet at them when the newest $30 bundle comes out and defend them when they do ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

Or perhaps spoken like someone who understands IP, unlike you or the complete morons behind sm2.

But you do you, keep fighting the power and smashing the evil corps.

damn you really are mindless lmao

[Nanashi_Derg]

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damn you really are mindless lmao

You made a mindless thread. If you don’t like the replies or being wrong, don’t make another.

bruh you were wrong about the gta not getting updates lmao

[Valerie]

I get that yes it's their properties and they're allowed to do as they please, but doing this really is scummy since these weren't really that damaging to their player base...

Not only that but Xlab offered a way to play their older games safely since playing the games now is a security risk. The devs don't keep up with their old games so the community did it for them and they went after them. You also still needed to buy the game and they'd even advertise when the games went on sale. It's just blatantly scummy. NO one should defend them in this situation.

[Valerie]

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I get that yes it's their properties and they're allowed to do as they please, but doing this really is scummy since these weren't really that damaging to their player base...

Not only that but Xlab offered a way to play their older games safely since playing the games now is a security risk. The devs don't keep up with their old games so the community did it for them and they went after them. You also still needed to buy the game and they'd even advertise when the games went on sale. It's just blatantly scummy. NO one should defend them in this situation.

That's precisely the point, previously when they were using the original MW2 engine, you DID need to buy the game. But 2 years on the mod still hadn't been released, and then they announced that they were moving development over to the MWR engine which meant you DID NOT need to buy the game to play the mod. The devs announced it themselves, and also confirmed you would not need to buy the original game, and could play the mod standalone, through it's own launcher.

Posted by the devs on their discord:

"“Do I need to buy MWR on Steam in order to play this.** No. We know we asked people to buy the game when the MW2 version of the project was still in development, but we do not want people to buy a second game after all this time. People who did buy MW2 however will be granted exclusive rewards.”

It's no coincidence the mod was shut down after they announced this. Even when they announced it, people warned them they must be crazy, as this would put them in legal jeopardy.

SM2 I can sort of understand since they did make that decision to use a different launcher that bypasses buying the game. Even though, they're still a BILLION dollar company scared of a PASSIONATE fan made project that was still going to be free though.

The other situation though, I do not understand at all since now it's no longer safe to play older CoD games and they do not care about their older games.

[North_Dumpling]

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That's precisely the point, previously when they were using the original MW2 engine, you DID need to buy the game. But 2 years on the mod still hadn't been released, and then they announced that they were moving development over to the MWR engine which meant you DID NOT need to buy the game to play the mod. The devs announced it themselves, and also confirmed you would not need to buy the original game, and could play the mod standalone, through it's own launcher.

Posted by the devs on their discord:

"“Do I need to buy MWR on Steam in order to play this.** No. We know we asked people to buy the game when the MW2 version of the project was still in development, but we do not want people to buy a second game after all this time. People who did buy MW2 however will be granted exclusive rewards.”

It's no coincidence the mod was shut down after they announced this. Even when they announced it, people warned them they must be crazy, as this would put them in legal jeopardy.

SM2 I can sort of understand since they did make that decision to use a different launcher that bypasses buying the game. Even though, they're still a BILLION dollar company scared of a PASSIONATE fan made project that was still going to be free though.

The other situation though, I do not understand at all since now it's no longer safe to play older CoD games and they do not care about their older games.

Just because its billion dollar company doesnt make it an excuse to not legally pursue offenders of your property.
To play mods you always buy a game first, but if there isnt a requirement to buy the game then that means developers have striked a deal with the publisher/developer, something people do a lot with Source engine mods.
SM2 devs didnt get a legal permission for such action, hence they got taken down and rightfully so. End of story really.

[Rytram]

I don't know why people are getting mad about this. It is Activisions right to shut this down. I am not a fan of Activision. But if I made something and then someone else comes along later and recreates it and puts it up on Steam for people to play, free or not, that is copyright infringement. they are stealing my ♥♥♥♥. Not only are they stealing my ♥♥♥♥, but they are actively stealing my player base which is my source of revenue. So ya, even though I hate Activision, I am gonna have to side with them on this matter.

The fact is that the creators KNEW what they were doing was illegal and they did it anyway. Furthermore, Valve ALLOWED IT to happen on their platform. I would be suing Valve as well.

Is it better than what CoD is today? yes. Is greed the main reason for this lawsuit? Probably.
Is Activision a PoS company? ABSOLUTELY. However, The law is the law and copyrights exist precisely for this very reason. to keep people from stealing your IP and running away with your customers.

[Valerie]

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Just because its billion dollar company doesnt make it an excuse to not legally pursue offenders of your property.
To play mods you always buy a game first, but if there isnt a requirement to buy the game then that means developers have striked a deal with the publisher/developer, something people do a lot with Source engine mods.
SM2 devs didnt get a legal permission for such action, hence they got taken down and rightfully so. End of story really.

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I don't know why people are getting mad about this. It is Activisions right to shut this down. I am not a fan of Activision. But if I made something and then someone else comes along later and recreates it and puts it up on Steam for people to play, free or not, that is copyright infringement. they are stealing my ♥♥♥♥. Not only are they stealing my ♥♥♥♥, but they are actively stealing my player base which is my source of revenue. So ya, even though I hate Activision, I am gonna have to side with them on this matter.

The fact is that the creators KNEW what they were doing was illegal and they did it anyway. Furthermore, Valve ALLOWED IT to happen on their platform. I would be suing Valve as well.

Is it better than what CoD is today? yes. Is greed the main reason for this lawsuit? Probably.
Is Activision a PoS company? ABSOLUTELY. However, The law is the law and copyrights exist precisely for this very reason. to keep people from stealing your IP and running away with your customers.

You don't have to pursue the law in every instance and some devs/companies, good ones, would actually encourage or are happy to have a community that passionate to make mods/create ways to play their old games without risks. They could even try working with them/hiring them. This screams greed and insecurity.

Look at how CS became a thing. A full on mod using assets of a different game and instead of shutting it down it was encouraged and helped grow by devs who were impressed by their fans.

Again the biggest insult right now is the fact Activision REFUSES to make their old games safe and playable. So the community came in to do it for them. Activision response towards being able to play their OLD games? Cease and desist... Now you can't play their older games without being at risk. People have every right to be mad at them for this. Legality or not this should be a no brainer at who you should be upset at.

[Pentti Hilkuri]

I was considering buying this game in the sale but seeing that there is this big controversy going on... hard pass. Corporate greed is unseemly and I don't want to support that.