AI anti-cheat -- Why is it not used?

[worza]

I just watched this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkmIItTrQP4
Where he demonstrates that https://anybrain.gg/ have developed a working AI-anticheat that would absolutely rid cheaters from the game for good.

So why is it not being used?
Basically, because developers make money off cheaters and so they think thats what the consumer base wants.

Well -- I think its time we demand https://anybrain.gg/ to be implemented -- its already available for multiple engines and easy to integrate and scaleable.

If you're a cheater -- your pretty much screwed. This AI-anticheat machine learning will be utilized -- and guess what!...

It can review past demos and ban you based on a biometric player profile -- meaning smurfs, changing accounts... even changing PC's wont save your pathetic arse. And there is a wealth of recorded demos and matches that are going to get put through this system.

What does that mean? -- it means if you cheat, you're going to get banned eventually, and you wont be able to just make another account elsewhere and jump back in. Just because its not implemented today, its planned for later this year. And so all you fkers cheating right now are going to say goodbye to the games you have cheated in -- and you deserve it. Hopefully it extends to banning people all together from gaming platforms.

Enjoy you POS hackers -- your days are numbered, and your past gameplay and current gameplay is going to catch up to you.

Future of FPS is looking bright.

[|)iGiTǺ\_ ҉Ǻn҉ǺƦCHY]

ill tell you exactly why its how the system controls the flow of cash period and influence they could stop it but then you would have so much new talent emerging all the so called pros would be crying because then they just cant do what they want when they want i have hundreds of hours of videos with aim assist jumping right to the head then correcting itself and targeting at Pc players naughty maggot hit the nail dead on its reality even for very good players being silenced

[worza]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26C9GcYksIQ

[D3monicNinja]

Originally posted by Naughty Maggot:

Yes but does it ban Zen and Xim etc. users? Millions of players using controller cheats and other "soft" hacks with absolutely no hope of getting them banned.

That's what's really destroying FPS gaming. When someone is flying around and insta killing you through walls then you know you're being royally f uked but how many players in every single game are using zen scripts or keyboard and mouse with controller aim assist? Probably at least one in every match you play if you're average or above considering the amout of units that have been sold.

That's probably why Aim Assist keeps getting stronger every year, to hide the fact that the majority of "good" players in the community are actually cheating. Youtubers "Pros" all f ukung cheating. They're all making tons of money off of these scrubs and allowing it to destroy FPS gaming.

But nobody really cares it would seem and then you get idiots on discussions like this defending it or just telling you to get better at the game.

Until this is addressed (which it won't be) Controllers are cancer to the FPS genre.

Amen to that brother, they could stop crossplay and make it so you can only adjust M&K setting on pc and nothing else..no controller assist, that would fix a lot
I see a lot of "pro' on youtube using controllers..its a shame that they do..i miss the old cod 4 era where it was pure skill

[worza]

Originally posted by 36:

if they did this then they would remove a large group of people who would re-download the game again, cheat for a bit feeling undafeatable and buy a skin or 2, same reason tarkov doesnt take cheaters that seriously, theyd rather have them comeback and pay more, but eventually they will have no choice if the AI anti cheat proves to be far more effective as all players in games affected by said AI anti cheat will migrate to games without making those games even worse off driving more honest players away

I can tell who doesn't watch the video link and who does -- because it already answers this.

No you will not be able to just redownload and cheat again -- you yourself will be banned using biometic ID data of you unique play style. So this fights smurfing aswel.

Originally posted by Blueknight719:

Yet another video popped on youtube on how to make your settings a legal aimbot just today. I figure a solid 10% are hacking or using a Zen or other outside cheat, 20% Console users not abusing the AA, 20% M/KB without assistance, 40% are cheated due to SBMM, the other 10% is due to sub par servers.

ANY aim-assist, silent aim.. aimbots ect.... all of it will get detected and banned. It will detect patterns in pixel movement, unnatural movement ect. Even if you try to fluff this with an array of different patterns -- those patterns will eventually repeat, especially if other players are using it and feeding those patterns into the central AI.

Not only will you get banned if you cheat, but many will get banned because they have already cheated in the past, because you can feed it old demo data too.

[worza]

You can be sure that cheat developers and many pro-scene players are going to push back against this Anti-cheat solution -- because they will lose business and lose their career. As they bloody well should too.

There will be many more added to the list of Forsaken, big names. There is nothing they can do accept wait for karma to be delivered.

[Raansu]

That video is nothing but BS lmao.

[Deejudanne]

sounds like a fun fiasco if the ai gets bored and starts mass banning randoms

[worza]

Originally posted by ランス:

That video is nothing but BS lmao.

I sense a lot of personal bias with no substance of reasoning.

Conclusion -- you're probably a cheater that has a conflict of interest and worried about being banned; and you should be.

No one who values fair gameplay would try to ridicule such a massive improvement. You're literally calling yourself out.

[vicch]

Cheat makers will just start making anti-AI cheats if this becomes a thing. Adding noise (random delays, deviations etc.) to a cheat is probably much cheaper than integrating and subscribing to such a system. And not to mention the potential false positives (Not moving around places like 99% of players because you are doing a special mission or challenge? Say bye to your account.)

[worza]

Originally posted by Deejudanne:

sounds like a fun fiasco if the ai gets bored and starts mass banning randoms

AI doesn't have feelings -- like boredom. They operate on code -- and you can't code feelings because they're a biochemical response in the hypothalamus, peptides and cells.

[Deejudanne]

Originally posted by worza:

Originally posted by Deejudanne:

sounds like a fun fiasco if the ai gets bored and starts mass banning randoms

AI doesn't have feelings -- like boredom. They operate on code -- and you can't code feelings because they're a biochemical response in the hypothalamus, peptides and cells.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr4yi9onykg
:shrug:

[worza]

Originally posted by vicch:

Cheat makers will just start making anti-AI cheats if this becomes a thing. Adding noise (random delays, deviations etc.) to a cheat is probably much cheaper than integrating and subscribing to such a system. And not to mention the potential false positives (Not moving around places like 99% of players because you are doing a special mission or challenge? Say bye to your account.)

Yes most likely... but doing that itself would diminish the effectiveness of the cheat -- Does not make sense to buy a cheat that randomly misses and adds "humanized noise" to it. If you think about that objectively, what that amounts to is something that replicates other human players -- to which you would not have an advantage.

Also, if such a cheat is distributed -- it would just get detected because the same patterns would be observed by the central database by all other players that use it. It detects movement/placement down to the pixel. If you're going to add randomized noise to that, then you will still get banned for many other factors -- such as your gameplay decision making, outlier statistics and accuracy.

At best you might be able to mimic a legitimate pro player -- and probably only for a short period of time before getting perma banned from the game entirely.

This increases not only the detection of cheats, but also the consequences of cheating -- If you get banned, your biometic ID is banned... meaning you can no longer play that game period. Add to this the exponential development costs to even try get around that... and for what? a handful of people to use it so less chance of centralized system detecting it from other users.

I don't think it will stop 100% of cheaters -- but more so 99.9%

[worza]

Originally posted by Deejudanne:

Originally posted by worza:

AI doesn't have feelings -- like boredom. They operate on code -- and you can't code feelings because they're a biochemical response in the hypothalamus, peptides and cells.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr4yi9onykg
:shrug:

Doesn't refute my point -- show me where that AI bot has neurotransmitters and biochemical cells.

Sure, AI can express words, tone, avatar expresses that can seem like a 'feeling'... but it itself does not ''have feelings'. It operates from data and algos.

[Zend0]

They are already using AI anticheat, how else would turning players invisible or disarming cheaters work? The AI needs to learn so it will get better and better at detecting cheaters but it's not fool proof and it doesn't work 100% of the time which is what the report system is for.

If you report a blatant cheater now they are banned very soon after that because their data from the match they were playing is analyzed but the AI can't look at everyone all the time that would take an insane amount of hardware and wouldn't be cost effective at all.

The idea is to thin out the cheaters 1 by 1 using the report system and then eventually after it's learned enough it will be able to ban biometric playstyles but again that's not foolproof.

So report report report because AI aimbot runs on a completely different pc and it's undetectable using traditional kernel level driver anticheat. I reported the only cheater I've seen in a while not long ago and he was banned the next match.

[Vort3x]

Well we have AI anti-cheats and we also have AI cheats... Sooooo it is not that easy.