Can we be real? Pro-Tuning is just pay to win.

[EmperorVolo]

They did pay to win in 2019 in the MW version IW came up with. The pay to win were all "mistakes" or "accidents" and they might have only been temporary but people would buy the broken weapons ASAP driving sales.

https://www.charlieintel.com/warzones-pay-to-win-modern-warfare-weapon-blueprints-deal-even-more-damage/197842/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFlbj6ZvBxc

I have feeling PRO-TUNE is just a way for people not to know how OP it is or how broken it is. If it's not happening now it'll happen eventually. There are no data feeds for any of the weapons like previous games. So no one can pull up data on ANY of the weapons but the PRO-TUNED are likely a cover for P2W.

[Donald J Trump]

Have you tried any pro-tuned blueprint?

[EmperorVolo]

Originally posted by Michael Morbius:

Have you tried any pro-tuned blueprint?

First off I didn't say it was in NOW, I said it will be used as a cover. They didn't start putting out rigged blueprints in MW 2019 until months later after Warzone was out.

[EmperorVolo]

I mean never mind it was in the last two games. Kind of a pattern at this point.

Originally posted by superblake_:

no it's not it is just blueprints.

That was the point???? The other point was that Pro-Tuning is being used as a cover. All Blueprints are Pro-Tuned.

[Tyrolean Ritter]

I have all the blue prints for a specific weapon which I will not share, and yes there is noticable differences in damage and range.

[EmperorVolo]

Originally posted by VanirsMunicher:

I have all the blue prints for a specific weapon which I will not share, and yes there is noticable differences in damage and range.

I have a few and I do notice some things that should also not be possible. Like the ADS speed is the same with no attachments on it. Which I don't believe is possible.

[Spaceman]

This is why we need to see numbers, not sliders, in these kinds of games. Unless there is proof one way or another, all we have is speculation, not conclusion.

[Fenrir Warsong]

Originally posted by Spaceman:

This is why we need to see numbers, not sliders, in these kinds of games. Unless there is proof one way or another, all we have is speculation, not conclusion.

That is probably why you won't see numbers. They probably wanna keep it in the dark.

[Spaceman]

Originally posted by Fenrir Warsong:

Originally posted by Spaceman:

This is why we need to see numbers, not sliders, in these kinds of games. Unless there is proof one way or another, all we have is speculation, not conclusion.

That is probably why you won't see numbers. They probably wanna keep it in the dark.

To be fair, I have a few pro-tuned weapons and I can personally tune variants of them that I very much prefer to use in comparison, so I remain unconvinced that they are 'pay to win'. I win more with my own tuning than with their's.

[Regal Hog]

Originally posted by Spaceman:

Originally posted by Fenrir Warsong:

That is probably why you won't see numbers. They probably wanna keep it in the dark.

To be fair, I have a few pro-tuned weapons and I can personally tune variants of them that I very much prefer to use in comparison, so I remain unconvinced that they are 'pay to win'. I win more with my own tuning than with their's.

cuz ur like uber pro and stuff rite

[Spaceman]

Originally posted by Regal Hog:

Originally posted by Spaceman:

To be fair, I have a few pro-tuned weapons and I can personally tune variants of them that I very much prefer to use in comparison, so I remain unconvinced that they are 'pay to win'. I win more with my own tuning than with their's.

cuz ur like uber pro and stuff rite

What kind of response was that? I just explained how I perform better with weapons that I have modded and tuned myself than with the 'pro-tuned' ones. This is my personal experience, and it has nothing to do with how 'pro' or not I am. I'm not even remotely close to the best players in the game, regardless of what weapons I use, so that childish little snip of yours... what was the point? I don't get it. I really don't. Maybe you can explain why you felt the need to get so bent out of shape over my explanation of my own experience. I hate activision as much as the next guy, but I want to see EVIDENCE of assertions made, both for and against them, before I come to any conclusions. There's plenty of ♥♥♥♥ to criticise them for without the need to make stuff up.

[[FuFo] Mortucus]

then why did the BP guns suck balls in wz1

My (pro tuned) hand made nz was better then any gun BP sold buy activision

[mk]

if you can prove this by using the 2 shot burst fennec blueprint and top a deathmatch game with more than 50 kills in shoothouse i will believe you.

[EmperorVolo]

Originally posted by Spaceman:

This is why we need to see numbers, not sliders, in these kinds of games. Unless there is proof one way or another, all we have is speculation, not conclusion.

That's the whole point though really. That this is being used to create this form of atmosphere around the weapons so we will never know or we would have to do extensive testing to figure it out. There will also never be HARD FACTS around this if this is the way they do it.

It's a solution to what they were doing before only temporary buffs. This allows them to do it permanently and we will never know or know way later after it comes out.

We will never know if ads is only 3ms faster for example. That's pretty hard to nail down even in a test or it it's just doing 5 damage more maybe 10 damage more in the arm? There's so many buffs here that would be hard to test or even impossible to test.

I agree with you that's why I posted this we need HARD NUMBERS. We can't just have these blindfolds on and trust them cause they've allowed overpowered weapons in the LAST TWO GAMES we would be absurdly naive to think they wouldn't do it again. Not only do they obscure the numbers but they also get rid of data for us to pull from the servers so we can see. They just HAPPEN to do this at the exact same time?

What are the chances they're gonna stop this practice?

Also I'm STILL NOT SAYING IT'S CURRENTLY IN. I'm just pointing out WHAT WILL HAPPEN EVENTUALLY. They didn't start putting these OP guns out immediately in the last two either.

[Dwane Dibbley]

Why so vague? Name one example and whats in your opinion out of charts.

[EmperorVolo]

Originally posted by Dwane Dibbley:

Why so vague? Name one example and whats in your opinion out of charts.

LOL looking for something to buy cause I have a hard time believing you failed to read the topic and multiple posts.